How to Open with Your Own shit – A guide by Sublimed

Too often on the scene I’ve seen a number of guys using canned openers, typically from the game, to approach sets. It’s a big problem – for one, it’s exposing the community in a not so subtle way to a large section of the public, and places what we do in a pretty negative light (we have to come up with ‘tricks’ to open sets).

This frustration arose when I opened up a set the other night, and I asked how they knew each other ect. and quickly commented that they were always looking at each other for validation, and it was cute. They then proceeded to tell me how these guys who ‘claimed’ they were gay had told them it was the best friends test.
You can see the problem! Whilst a transition that isn’t labelled will be innocuous, a ‘best friends’ test didn’t work. They mentioned they thought these guys were liars or something as well.

Let me go through a good opener, whether it be an opinion opener, situational opener or direct opener.

Opinion opener – go with something conventional, non-sexual, and something you might know a bit about to give a quick neg on their opinion. Think of it as asking for a judgement on a situation, and do not use the ones given to you in the game – the idea is, in my mind, to provoke a response which allows you to stereotype or neg their opinion, before opening another thread quickly off it. The trick is the second thread – you need to open it quickly and with confidence. Strong inner game is the key to a decent transition, and make it innocuous.

Situational opener – pointing out something in the situation that facilitates an engagement. Please note that I hate qualifying a situation like “Omg, did you see that fight outside?”. Yes it will provoke a response, but it’s a hard frame to hold, mainly because generally you’re lying. The best ones will assign value through body language and frame to something else. A good example that I use on seated sets is “If I creepily hit on you guys long enough, could my friend and I steal those chairs?” It’s an implied neg, very different as well. Anything that implies you need something other than them, and they are just a convenience, acts as a good situational opener.

Direct opener – telegraphing your intentions. This is the most obvious one, just going up and saying ‘hi, name, I like you’ or words to that effect. You’re signalling you want to talk to them. In this case, your body language must be saying the opposite of your words to hold any value. Additionally, please note that it’s essential to use a qualifier as a transition to maximise the impact. Mystery has a good segment on this type of things in his ‘opening 10s’.

I will open, and get to mid game, around 90% of my sets at the moment, with no canned openers. Please bear this in mind, feel free to ask questions, and I’m happy to help if I can.





--- Sublimed

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I just started really gaming during the day + night time. I notice a big difference to the reaction with my openers by the location, venue, as well as day in the game.

During the night i noticed a few things. You can't use opinion openers fairly easily for instance saying to a girl... "I need a women's opinion my friend broke up with his g/f.... ". This goes for all club venues, the only spot these opinion openers work are outside the club maybe smokers area where no noise is seeking through and people can talk.

Question 1:

In your experience what are the best techniques you use to open in night game preferably clubs. For instance does it matter what the opener is really or can you just use a simple opener like "Those are nice shoes" then go on using DHV stories as well as other forms of kino to attract and gain acceptance by her and the friends or do you find anything works.

Now with day game opinion openers work great, but in general its akward at times. Its fine to ask a women an opinion i noticed but its far easier grabbing her attention by being direct for instance noticing a piece of clothing saying it looks nice then going into your routine.

Question 2:

Do you think Day game stuff uses more direct or indirect as an approach. By direct i mean just simply noticing something about her and showing a loose form of attraction without saying "WOOAH YOUR HOT I LIKE YOU".

Now overall my experience has been direct game never works for me. I hate conveying so much interest and then tanking it just hurts my pride. I find indirect the way because although you go with little risk you leave with as much of an essence as a man verses the humiliation of her saying "I have a b/f" then akwardly walking away.

Question 3:

I notice people using the routines and i totally agree with you. The malls and clubs are swarmed with men by themselves going out to game girls. Now lets assume I use a vague opener like noticing her shoes where do you take your routine to gain attraction.

For instance:

Opener: "Hey, those are really nice shoes where did you get them"

Her: "It was at this shop in downtown"

Me: its funny because my older sister took me shopping a few days back and we were actually looking for those shoes for the past 3 hours... don't tell me you were the one who took the last pair at marcol koers

Her: No ahaha. It was in downtown store named Guess....

Now my routine is done and at this point i opened what is next. I feel people are too paranoid about openers when in reality they are just there to open the set nothing else. Like the real question needs to be where do you go after the opener she gives you small responses and then what? Please help me out with that and maybe show me a sample conversation with theory so i get a drift of where to head myself for my routines!

I'll respond to each question.

1:

Night game I always use opinion openers. That's because unless you are very good looking you'll struggle to demonstrate any value (every guy will go direct). That being said, I'm selective in my clubs, in that they have a lounge and a dfloor inside.

What works specifically I find in the transitions is some kind of qualifier linked to your opener. Will hook them early, particularly if you go direct. With opinion openers you can get away with a lot, a simple multi thread would be fine imo.

Other openers which work in clubs would be more linked to social proofing. I find that social proofing in a club works - ie target guys and mixed sets before going to your HBs. I know for a fact that girls are watching (in many cases I've had girls comment to my wings that I seem to be very charismatic).

Question 2:

Day game depends. I don't do it much at malls per say, an opener I use a lot on public transport is 'Holy crap my iPod just broke, guess you are the second best option' with a smile or something.

For malls I'd generally use something slightly more direct, like you said. Yeah, there is awkwardness, but hold a really positive confident frame (it sounds like frame is an issue for you) and you should power through it.

That being said, I prefer high energy night game most of the time.

Question 3:

This is a good question. Loads of guys I have worked with (yes I do train my own select group of guys in Aus) have struggled HEAVILY with transitions. I recommend exercising a fuckload of frame control for a start. That's the first thing - be sure that your conversation will work or she'll pick up on your nerves.

Let's run with your conversation. I'd follow on like this:

PUA: "Cool, that's weird - my sister raved about that place, but I've never known where it is, do you mind telling me?" (small smile at the end).

HB: "Oh, it's on blah blah blah"

PUA: "So where are you from?" *this bit is crucial. you have to assume it's your right to ask these questions. any lack of confidence will fuck the transition BIG time.*

OR

PUA: "Omg, that remind me of this one time - 'DHV story'".

HB: Blah blah blah I'm from downtown LA

PUA: The dingy part, or the classy part? Cos I have you pegged for the dingy part! *wink*

HB: omg, no, the classy part.

PUA: Awesome, "DHV story about a classy party".

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You can see how I've established a very quick transition. Does that answer your question? If not I'm happy to go through more stuff with you . The opener really just establishes your frame as a confident person who has better shit than girls to do, the transition should reinforce that confidence!

Make sense?

--- Sublimed.

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