first and foremost I appreciate in advance advice on my journey towards natural, being social status, I need help in getting advice on what to do if a woman says she has a boyfriend early in conversation, before getting to this I would like to state that I have found my personality that is comfortable/natural with me to start conversations with women, I feel that I definitely want to be direct, part of my personality, I have a good sense of humor, intelligent, good energy, want to include this, and from studying this social science also want to lead conversation more/ control the frame, which I feel means force the woman to accept my reality of the interaction, advice of gaining frame control is also welcome...could be wrong but I think this is the essence of frame control, bit of cold reading, assuming, mixed with questions, and finally being more descriptive of my experiences and work to get her imagination going based on this, so this is my profile so to speak I want to develop from here on out when in conversation, here is my example lets say I approach a woman directly and first thing go into detail about how I find her attractive in great detail/descriptive and want to get to know more about her, and right after this she says "she has a boyfriend", would I just say okay and leave or continue to "plow/push" through as they say in the community, continue to show intent, is there a time/case where I would need to throw in the towel because it is truly a case where she is not interested or what, don't have a good idea on that, advice would be great, next example is lets say its been a few minutes and it seems conversation is going well you tell her to put number in phone and she says that she doesn't give out phone numbers/email, nothing, so denied on that request, would this be a case to let it go, push through or what? all advice on these matters would be greatly appreciated i am learning alot and want to get a solid system for myself to stick with and apply so I wont be reading/studying forever and can get out here and start working towards success with women.....one last thing I was hoping examples in conversation with women could be highlighted with these advice topics that would be the best learning tool for me the examples along with the advice, thanks again this is an awesome forum

Tyson aka slimcatwundah

1. 60% of women who say there taken arent- its a shit test get used to it

2. being natural is only half the battle, you could be the most confident person ever but get shut out from a true PUA any time, its not the routines and gambits that work its the ability to show others that ur the man in the room which will attract new ppl.

3.Meet everyone in the bar/club dont be shy just let loose so no matter where you are u have ppl wanting to talk to you which shows amazing prestige.

4. take steps dont rush in, you wont learn if u try to f close before opening properly

5. read up on shit tests and bf destroyers that way if u get stuck on a test or the boyfriend routine u can throw her for a loop

read and amazing article that relates to getting better at opening the other day,

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Try another excuse for getting her number besides hitting on her. She may be attracted but can't give out her number because she'd feel guilty.

-Damn I figured but thought I'd give it a shot. Would you be willing to give me some fashion/style advice. Apparently I'm clueless and could use a female perspective.

Excuses that involve asking advice work well cause women love making projects out of men. I need help with my style, talking to girls in bars, blah blah whatever give me you number! Something you're genuinely interested in is probably good to use so you appear sincere. If she says yes, suggest you guys exchange numbers. If her relationship exists and is going south, you'll be in a good position to start making a move.