I saw a video about a PUA where he had opened at 2 set and at first they seemed very disintered in him, and very reluctant and, even though he got one of their numbers, hit me, what if i try to open a set and they have the same reaction? What happens? What do I do? Did this ever happen to you guys? I need some good advice from you guys

Well if you open and you know immediately they want nothing to do with you just give a bright smile and tell them "actually.. don't worry about it, I got to meet back up with my friend's (FTC is also used as your escape from evil) been nice meeting you. It's easier to open a new set then do damage control or fix things.

As Mystery says "Don't give them a reaction cause your better then that, stay cool and calm like nothing can shake you. Some people do this just to get a reaction so they can lower your value". Now those weren't is exact words, but it was the jiest.
The best way to surpass this is with a smile and lots of confidence as is referred to as destroying the "Bitch sheild"

Overall it's nothing to worry about and SHOULD NOT stop you or be used as an excuse to not open..

As Mystery said and its ture to the word: "It's not about avoiding rejection; it's about responding to it attractively."

Sorry wish I could say more, but im in a rush
hope this helps

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Forget "reluctant" . . . often times, they'll even project anger towards you like some whiny little kid for not playing the game as "they see fit". Just like some whiny kid expects her parents to buy her a toy every time they pass a toy store, girls have expectations of how things should work out when they are approached by men. And just like the way a little kid will cry and whine when she doesn't get her toy, girls will do the same when things don't work the way they see fit. In the end, all they want is a little love . . .

What you do is remain firm and hold your case . . . and as any responsible parent would, reaffirm to them that you're there for them as a supporter and not there to bend over backwards to meet every crazy demand. They almost always come around.

A few weeks ago, a two set followed my friends and I to a club. I let them know that there's a vip waiting for us at the club with a table. The girl texted me, "Get us in!"

K: What? There's no line out there. Just get in here.
G: We have no money.
K: You lost your wallet?
G: (after 5 minutes) You suck
K: No reply

After a few more minutes . .

G: You suck, we're in but we had to walk 10 minutes to find an SPAM.
K: Cool, we're in the back. I'll buy you guys a drink

So they actually find us and I tell them, "Come here, what do you want to drink?"

G: You suck. Get away from us.
K: Huh? What's the matter with you?
G: You made us walk half a mile
K: So you don't want a drink?
G: We'll get our own
K: OK

And they eventually still sit with us, chat, and is open to set up a "private cocktail party" for later on . . .

Man Kasabi, that sounds terrible. Sure, it doesn't really touch you, but I don't want to be around bitchy people no how, I go out to have fun. I'm with YourFantasy on this one, if a set starts off gruelling, the girls don't even act like they want your interest; I'd eject instead of trying to get a number. A number isn't even worth anything. "Actually... don't worry about it" is a great line. It's non-judgmental, but still conveys that these fun-haters aren't worth another sentence AND it gives them the opportunity to be like "What? No, wait, stay."

Your prospective is not wrong and if thats how you want to be thats fine. Its just that as you are around girls a whole lot you start seeing/realizing these 'bratty little games' that they try to pull on you.

I'll share a incident too.

This hot chick with her friends drove 25 miles to see me at a bar. I was with my group of friends and she texted me that she came to the bar, took one look and left to another nearby bar because she didnt see me.

Marc: "Okay. I'm right behind, ask the host and he'll show you"
Girl: "We are at ....Come see us"
Marc: "Not happening, I'm with my friends, you are welcome to join"

10mins later

Girl:"we are leaving for..., come meet us"
MArc: Have a good night, I'm having a blast, you are welcome to join

1 hr later

Girl: " Now we are at ....come meet me"
Marc:"I am at .... I'm not coming, but around 2am I might be heading to ....."

2:15am

Girl: I am at .....where are you
Marc: Right behind you

And she was all over me for the rest of the nite. The thing is she came 25 miles to see me and went to the next bar but didnt message me when she was at the bar !!! - She wanted me to join her and evertime I refused she kept coming back.

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Last weekend I was out and made friends with these two guys who opened a set and instantly said something that turned them cold. These guys moved away but I walked in with a smile and started talking, at first they were cold but I kept the smile on and kept talking and carried on with a cold reading.. Soon one got interested and I teased her a little, seeing this then the other got interested and I paid no attention to her I made her earn my attention and then after 10 mins of flirting with both I was walking around the bar (a vistory lap )with both of these girls on my iether side. I met them back on Monday at a hookah bar. - So know when to roll off but also learn to catch a window of opportunity !

If there reluctant move on that is what the game is all about... knowing how to take ur losses like a man and moving on... there are too many fish in the sea to even waste your time on one... but if u really want to pull it... play the rejection out.. say wait u going to have to do better than that ok how about I help u tell me your married (if she is not go onto boyfriend if no boyfriend if no then tell me why we can't have a great time and hang out at (such n such place) if she say yes say me too thats make two of us we should double date sometime it makes them look stupid.... I got this from a movie called "spread" used it and got me the number the date and I ended up teasing her and cutting her off because she was trying to be an ass at the beginning....

To the OP.

What if they have the same reaction to you. Ok you will feel bad for a few minutes.

What if you dont even try. You will never get better with girls, for the rest of your life.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

And yes, I have been in the situation. I had like 500 sets like that when I was still a rAFC. And I still get them. Does not bother me at all.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Worry or don't worry about what? I thought you were the fun guy. . .

Learn to see yourself. Imagine that you're being filmed. A couple of girls might say some dumb things . . . you might say some dumb things . . . then you go, "Don't worry about it . . ." - This sounds FUN to you?

If you want girls to be fun to you then take some initiative to be FUN FIRST. ". . . Don't worry about it" is nothing but a disappointed mopey kid. Blast away with the confident, strong, fun attitude regardless of what the girl does or doesn't do and they will comply EVERY TIME.

The whiny kid in the toy store metaphor still applies. You think the kid who gets a toy because he cries his ass off "LOVES" his mother? No . . . he loves the TOY that he gets. He actually disrespects and resents seeing weaknesses in his "care taker" and will continue to treat her worse and worse.

A girl who acts like a 10 year old knows that she's acting like a 10 year old. If you show a sign of weakness: "Don't worry about it . . . " or worse, react negatively, they'll just continue to act like 10 year olds the whole night. It is no wonder SO MANY people in this forum recommend that they eject out of situations like this. It's because all they do is sit their and add fuel to this little fire. I don't get it . . . why do so many of you just sit there and actually "argue" with girls that have attitudes of 10 year olds? What's worse, why would you EVER give up on "negotiating" with a ditzy kid? If you can't calmly get what you want out of little ditzes, what chances do you have for negotiating for something really important in your life?

You're a MAN. They are little girls who are acting 10 years younger than they really are. Let's keep some prospective. If you really loved your 10 year old niece but she's crying and yelling at you because you won't buy her ice cream RIGHT NOW, what do you do? Yell at her? Tell her "Never mind . . ."? What does a good uncle do?

Here's a clue: You'd feel BAD. . . . for her. You wouldn't sit there thinking, "Wow, she's really hurting my feelings. Ouch, my heart . . ." No, you'd feel HER pain and think, "how can I make this situation better?"

I dunno. I guess I'm not expansive enough to want to take every misguided, spoiled party girl under my wing. If she's going to be difficult right at the onset, then I like to punish her by taking away the most interesting part of the interaction: me. I'm no case worker, it's not up to me to discipline these girls because their fathers never got around to it. I would definitely become better at dealing with these girls if I just stuck it out and maintained a solid, fun frame, but why would I want to be good with these girls? I prefer a girl that can accurately measure me up and will play nice to gain my favor the moment I engage her. Maybe I'm spoiled/lazy, but it's worked out fairly well and I haven't had bad dates, cheating girlfriends, or lousy sex in the last year.

Me neither. . . . only the hot "misguided, spoiled party girl", gets to suck my cock.
Really? Do you really think she feels like she's being "punished" while watching your sorry ass walk away and another guy is hitting on her?
Because regardless of how she "acts" or what she "says" when she first meets you, every girl goes, "Fuck me! Fuck me! I love it! You're so hot.", while you're plowing her. And she says all these things because you instruct her, "You like that? You like that don't you . . . You want it deeper? You're a little horny girl aren't you?" - Do you see what I'm saying here? If you WANT THIS:
You have the power to create it.

But if you want it then you've just reduced your "dating pool" big time.

Depends on the guy's skills I guess. Doesn't matter if she knows she's being punished because her betterment as a person doesn't matter to me. Nor do I care what she thinks or if anyone else watching thinks I have a sorry ass. My time is limited and while I have the capacity to win people over, I think it's more fruitful to start with someone who likes the way I look and carry myself. It's enough that I know she's not going to do any better that night. That satisfies my vengeful side plenty. Maybe I am limiting my pool, but I don't need sex, I don't need a bitchy girl's mouth on my tip, I don't even need female companionship and attention. It's all for fun; and I don't work for my fun. Fun should work for me.