Hey,

Ever since I first learnt about pick up, I've had no problem approaching girls who I don't know, etc. However, girls who I was previously real AFC around, I just can't really manage to get into my flow. It still feels like there is a bit of barrier between us and I feel like I just can't go onto playful/teasing (or whatever you like). I guess maybe i'm not as confident at it.

Do any of you have similar problems?

Or have you managed to crack your game with them? If so, how?

Any thoughts or advice is greatly appreciated..

Take it easy,

E

You might have lost your AA but you gotta practice this some more . . You're probably not gaming enough strangers. If you've "got it", then get the hell out and blitz em' out. Obviously, you're not always gaming ppl alone. Your friends will be in the mix. If you've got it, then all of this will be a natural transition but by the way you posed your question, I'm led to believe that your "perception" of the Game is one dimensional in that "Open-routine-close" fashion.

The Game however is really just a way of life. It's about re-framing your reality. It's more than scoping out 1 girl and getting her number. It's about creating an identity for yourself in your social circle and expanding on it. It's about bouncing hb's off of each other and getting them to compete for you. If you game effectively, you don't even need to game your "friends". They will absolutely know exactly what's going on. They'll begin to qualify themselves to you. They'll come to you so that THEY TOO can be gamed. That's just the way it is. . .

I recently ran game on a friend but it is really confusing especially in the training wheels stage, you get torn between running game and having friendly chit chat.
Best advice I can give on this is don't speak to them for a while (not in a harsh ignoring way but kinda give yourselves time apart) then start from scratch-ish

I agree with Kasabi 100%. I don't believe that you should stop talking to your friends. Better yet, don't game them, let them see you game others and the transition will happen on its own. Someday you will find yourself in "gaming mode" <--- if you want to call it that ... and without even trying you will start gaming them if you feel like it.

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Hey chief,

thanks for your advice, much appreciated but I think you have misunderstood me on many counts.
I said I have no problems approaching strangers, so this is what I mainly do. I just feel like it is a blank canvas where you can do things at your own speed. I certainly don't feel like I'm not 'gaming enough strangers', but nor do I believe there is a great particular need to do so.
Sorry dude, this couldn't be further from the truth. I guess you would expect everyone to say that but I know its not the isn't the case with me. Firstly, I have never used a set of routines in my life. It is much to hard for me to remember while remaining congruent in the situation and carfully listening to what they are saying.

Secondly, I am always in a playful/teasing state of mind, regardless of who I'm with. Its fair to say I would be s bit of a kidder but this is who I've always been, its just I couldn't relate this to the girls I used to like. Nor were they necessarily good friendsof mine. It is therefore essential that everything I do is situational or else my humour is irrelevant.

I feel like you have boxed me in a stereotype here. Stereotypes and assumptions only create barriers to helping others help themselves. I believe I completly the understand the importance of finding balance and understanding with this in regards to other aspects of your life. I have seen people become obsessed with this and know some of the potential traps. Again, when you say the game is just a way life, I'll have to disagree from a personal point of view. I was always this playful/joking guy with confidence, just not around particular girls. I'm still who I always was, just with more confidence. All this is something I feel very passionate about because it is sad to see people seeing girls just as figures and targets. PM me if you would like to discuss this further. The actual idea of pua's is actually quite sad too, especially mpua's. I do weights, doesn't make me a weight lifter, I study at college, doesn't make me an academic. To me, 'pua's' just it feels like bragging and very un-alpha male. I just go out and have fun. This may seem like a rant but I find it important.

I know is might be seen to be extremely defensive but I personnaly dislike when others jump to conclusions without much thought, thanks again for your thoughts...

E

Hey Myke, dude I learned that people's perceptions of you can always change. If you approach a girl who may have once had a different impression of you, just reframe and drive it home. I know that it can seem weird but whenever you go out and see some of these girls just remember that "It does matter what they may already think of me." Be like "I am going to sarge her and she will think I am so cool she will forget about who I was before". If this is someone who you have known for a long time previously, than their perception of you may take longer to change, but it definitely still can.

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And yeah, This is (still) just the beginning.

I kinda know what you mean but you just have to take the plunge that's what i did with a girl i never really talked and i just gathered up courage and bombarded her with negs. There are no real shortcuts in learning the game sometimes you have to do things that are difficult.

Well now it's more obvious than ever. What's the deal with your insecurities? You sound like some fat chick. This is some dumb anonymous forum and you are QUALIFYING yourself to strangers. Do you get it?

So many of you guys think this "game" is something you turn on and off. Off = AFC mode. On = Open - routine - close. Read your last post pretend somebody else wrote it. You can't possibly tell me that those words were written by anybody with some balls. And you've already admitted that you're insecure in front of your OLD FRIENDS . . .

And now you continue to lecture us about how smooth you are in front of total strangers? Does this even make sense to you?

I gave you good advice. You can follow it if you want to.

I clearly stated that my nervousness was with particular girls(not my friends) so how you have come to the conclusion that I am insecure around my friends or have insecurities is beyond me. I also stated I don't and can't use routines. This tired arguement of yours I believe may have many valid points, but is irrelevant here.
I'm not going to argue with your absolute ignorance or retort to name calling like you have.