First of all those were not negs, they are very good when you do it with right attitude and smile on your face. If you approached women with the "Can I help you unload these?." you asking in AFC way, better question or statement would be "let me help you with these weights" or just start helping her unload the weights and start saying how you dont like when people leave weights etc.

I agree that asking can be AFC. For example - "Can I have your phone number?" - totally AFC.

But when you're offering help I've found it to be a different story. If you just start helping someone you can often times invade thier personal space. Very few people (especially those that would like help) deny a polite offer to recieve help.

Suppose you see an HB that looks a little lost in the street. If you offer her directions you're providing value and its an excellent segway to some natural conversation. In my experience this has worked but it all depends on your personality and what you're trying to pull off.

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When i go to the gym, i am not a PUA. I do not try to pick up girls. Sure, if a girl strikes up a conversation i will might use my skills, but still the gym is the gym.
I have heard quite a few stories from girls about guys trying to pick them up at the gym. They were probably AFC's and didn't have the game, but still girls find it really creepy. VERY CREEPY.
There is just something about the gym. Girls go there to get in shape, to work on themselves which than will build on their confidence levels.
There is a reason so many girls go to women only gyms. They feel extremely uncomfortable about working out in front of men. Of course there is the skanky exceptions, but this is the case.
My advice would be you don't need to be mr PUA whereever you go. The chances of you actually pulling at the gym is so small anyway, and i just want to say one more time, if you attempt and fail you will look like a creep. At a club you can fail many many times, because it is socially acceptable, but not at the gym
So go there to get in shape, look good, and just focus on that.
This is of course just my opinion
Cheers boys

i agree with ace high. You dont need to pick up every girl you see. If you go to the gym and open a girl and BURN dude she's going to look at you creepy... and probally tell the other girls in the gym that guy right there is a creep haha maybe even throw a complain about you. I could imagine it haha anyways the gym is to get fit and look good and if you happen to see that hb Out of the gym in public or a party you can always open up to her and not get easily burn. Think about it.

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Ehh I used to frequently participate in a body building online forum... and there were topics like these.

80% of the guys (they were all pretty much big, good looking guys)
They would always talk about how MOST of the girls in a gym really don't want to be approached by guys because not only is it a place to work out (its not a party on friday night), but they are smelly... sweaty... gross. At least in their eyes, you know how girls are.

I automatically 90% ignore girls in the gym... yeah I will do a quick glance to check them bending over (super tight short shorts, bending over!) but that's about it. I will not stare at them and force them to make eye contact

I treat it as a dog eating it's food.... for god's sake don't pet the damn dog

Hey OozingSteez i use to do a fair bit of posting on BB.com. Is that what your talking bout?
That misc section was crazy back in the day, its a bit slow these days

i don't what's wrong with you people
maybe you guys had bad luck at the gym or something, or you never hit on a girl in a gym before, so all you dude's who never hit on a girl before in a gym, shut the fuck up, and if you did hit on a girl in a gym and you got rejected, that's your fault, i never get rejected. maybe it's my looks maybe something else, idk, stop bitching haha