Practically all the girls I met were the girls from the Internet like Pof, Match Tinder and another small website. I don't have much of the experience on the okcupid and for some weird reason this site has worst looking girls out of 3 big sites match and pof. From my experience it doesn't matter what your write to girls as long as it's not something like: "I just want to fuck you and never call you back" Everything is about your pictures. Online dating is very competitive for men and if you are average looking dude with shitty pictures you will not going to get much of the replies. I was making several fake accounts, not surprisingly body builder with tattoos is chick magnet. I am athletic guy (not a bodybuilder, and no tattoos) I am always working on improving my pictures, although still didn't get the result I want. Usually I write only to the white, skinny or athletic girls and my reply ratio is not that big. It took me 8 weeks to meet 7 girls from different online dating sites. Plus I have to add I live in NYC.

I just want to hear your online experience, may be I am wrong and under estimate the importance of messages. It just my view of the reality.

IME i would agree that pics are at least 85% of the game. You can make up for this differential by just meeting women IRL where she can see and feel the real you, cutting through all the superficial bullshit of online pics etc.

OceanX said it - pics are almost everything.

It hooks them, and then it's up to you to reel them in with your witty banter...

I'm relatively average looking - not well-dressed for the most part, but I'm fun, and I know how to text with girls pretty well - as far as my 'reply rate' goes - on Tinder it's probably very close to 80-90%. Once you actually match with someone you just send them a decent opener (I literally keep them on a notepad in my iPhone and I just cut/paste)... I can #close probably half of those and then actually date most of the #closes (though I don't end up doing that... It's too expensive to have a damn date every night)... Screen for the ones you want to date.

How did I get the openers? Experience, for one... And I also (a couple yrs ago) created a fake FB account for a hot girl... and then went on Tinder with it...

No faster way to see how your competition is opening girls... and how bad some of them are (and how good some of them are)... Lots of good material to be had with that strategy (though it's a little time consuming).

I still have approaching anxiety, but even when I was taking numbers from girls in real life, I didn't get dates with them after. I think they forget you by the time you contact them. On the Internet at least you have dating profile with pictures, so she can check your pics. And I am not really a club guy that's why I decided to stay online to set dates. If I go out then I go to bars with friends and bars have 3 guys per one girl ratio usually.

Interesting, I started Tinder 2 month ago, got 2 girls from there. I think Tinder algorithms analyze your behavior and control how many girls see you. I mean they can put you really down the list for a girl to see you. I had really strange experience with Tinder. In the beginning I got few matches and practically all girls didn't talk to me. Then I started to get much more matches and practically every girl talked to me. Then again no luck with matches and hardly any girl talks to me there. I created another Tinder account lets see how it will go.
Can you advice me on the first message on Tinder.

Then daygame.

If the girls are forgetting you by the time you talk to them you are just side glancing them and not forming a close connection with them on the pickup. Put your fucking soul into it and don't be gamey (not saying you were just tryna help).

It's true what you say about connection. It takes for me long time to build connection. I don't get used to new people fast. May be because I am not really emotional. How do you build connection with them fast.

Interact with them in the same non-creepy manner you would when interacting with a girlfriend.

Deep rapport, eye contact, flirting, teasing, kino, knowing you are the prize, finding out about them, telling them about yourself. Can be done in under 5 minutes with the girl (not every girl) waiting patiently for your follow up and wanting to meet up.

The most important key is that you feel great about yourself, who you are, and your future. With these high yet calibrated vibes, you are emitting a natural aura that the woman wants more of. Because it's VERY VERY rare that she meets a man who is socially clued in and who knows how to lead an interaction just the way she likes it.

it's so me, Louis Ck describes it perfectly starting to talk, approaching a woman at a bar and optimistically stupid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bekvgMEcgqI

In that bit he says that a guy doesn't know what to say and his words come out as gibberish "BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW HER." He has nailed it: The key is to convince yourself that you already know this woman who you actually are just meeting for the first time. Then, because women are mirrors, she will more often than not send this comfortable vibe right back to you. This circles back to what I had mentioned in the quoted post, interact with them in the same non-creepy manner you would when interacting with a girlfriend.

My online experience is pretty much the same, I’m an average looking guy probably about a 6 out of 10 and I get very little response from the type of women I am attracted to. I get the occasional meet me request and random message from ugly fat women but very rarely anybody I would even get back to. I have good text game and witty banter so on the rare occasion I do hook a decent looking chick long enough to run some game I tend to do quite well. But its actually getting the women to even give you half a chance online so you can run some game that is the challenge.