Yeah flakes are standard with girls when initiating first contact online. Did you get a significantly larger number of girls from POF than OKC? If you've tried it, tell me are there any hot girls on Tinder or is it a whale fest?
I'd like to think you would get an even higher number of lays on Match-com because the girls pay and are serious about getting laid... what do you think?
What's your routine on the first phone call? I've been using The Cube since a long time ago but i don't like it anymore.
I briefly used Match when I first started the online gaming and had a difficult time with it. Granted, back then I was only 20 so now that I'm older it may be more successful. I have a hard time justifying that monthly fee though when there's so many free apps out there. I don't know if those girls are "serious about getting laid" more than any other girl. But they may be more serious about playing the whole "getting to know you" song and dance and dragging things out before meeting and then taking a handful of dates before you can get in their pants.
I use PoF, OKC, Tinder, and Hot or Not (which is basically the same as Tinder except you get a rating so you know how many people clicked yes/no on you).
PoF seems like the king because it has the most people in my area. Theres a couple cute new girls who create profiles on it every day (and the collection of lifers who are on it 24/7 and have a headline like "this thing is so stupid") I've gotten the most lays on here due to the sheer number of women.
OkCupid is basically the same as PoF. One subtle difference to keep in mind is every time you view someone's profile on OKC, they get notified about it. PoF only notifies them the first time you view them. So be careful about constantly referencing profile pics on OKC haha, it can make you seem creepy. Any difference you seem to find in the quality of PoF women vs OKC ones is probably just random chance. There's elephants and sexy chicks on both apps and they operate the same way.
Tinder and Hot or Not have a lot more women but you can only contact them if they click "yes" on you. but don't think that them clicking yes means they are immediately dtf. There's still a ton of entitled chicks on there who are in it for the compliments. I personally get a decent amount of matches on these apps but don't have a lot of success meeting women off of there. Most women just use it to pump their tires and out of boredom since it's so easy to set up. But it's worth using because it takes no effort whatsoever and you're bound to eventually get lucky.
This week was a really good week for me. In the past 7 days I got 3 new lays and one really great date that only ended in a makeout. These were all from online. One of the lays was of the first night F close variety. Here's what happened:
I met her at a bar downtown right from work so I wasn't looking my best at all. I made the critical mistake of letting her choose the venue so of course she picked the bar that she always goes to where she knows everyone. Don't let this happen to you! It killed my social value because she knew a ton of people in there and I knew nobody. I had to force myself into a bunch of different conversations with random dudes. Had i made her go to one of my bars, she would have been focused on me the entire night instead. However I stayed cool and didn't pout about it. I just knew we had to change location.
I told her I was really hungry and asked if there were any good places to get a bite (it was 1 in the morning by this point). She suggested a greek restauarant and so I told her to drive me since I didn't know the area. We went in and got food. I was able to escalate a little bit of kino there and also was able to make the conversation sexual. I literally think it started by me joking around about an older couple who was there and asking how often she thought they had sex. It led into us talking about our sex lives a bit and planted the seed.
I also made sure to kiss her once while we were in the restauant. When we left, I made out with her in her car and told her she should show me her apartment. She was totally against it at first and gave the typical "but my place is too messy". I didn't let it discourage me though and offered her to shake my hand. "I promise we can enter a 'no judgment zone' when I get there." I kept it light hearted and so she agreed.
Back to the apartment we went and before long we were making out again. "I hope you don't think we're going to have sex. I just don't do that on the first date. That's not me at all." I simply nodded my head and continued to escalate. We moved to the bedroom and clothes came off. She was really adamant about no sex but I was also adamant that I was not going to let myself orgasm until I made it inside of her. Eventually she grabbed condoms out of her dresser and we got it on.
I had to jog back to my car in the morning in the freezing cold and also got a nice 50 dollar parking ticket, but overall it was a successful night. Keep in mind I'm not a master of seduction by any means. It's just about being persistent and meeting as many women as you can.