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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 6:28 am 
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Online dating is a great tool if you're looking to have more sex and meet women. I've used it almost exclusively and have some really crazy stories and have had tons of sex over the years. However, I'm still completely clueless when it comes to bar/club game and socially a little inept as well. But if you're just looking to increase your lays, online dating should always be considered.

It's very true that pictures are a major part of the battle. Find out what your best pictures are and use them. Try to be wearing a different outfit and be at a different venue in each picture. Don't use any selfies in front of a mirror unless you're extremely good looking. I use a picture of myself at a bar, a casino, and home with my dog.

Don't obsess over openers like some of the people on here seem to. If your goal is just to get a response, then sure... send some crazy paragraph. I can't tell you how many women I've met who tell me about some of the openers they get like the "I've married and divorced you in my mind" one and we both have a good laugh over how pathetic that is. You may get a response due to the shock factor but you're most likely not helping your cause to get laid with a calculated opener like that. Seriously, "hey. how's it going? What do you think about this crazy online dating thing?" works pretty well for me.

When I send a message, a woman will usually view my profile within 2-3 minutes. I can then expect a response within a minute and if I don't get one, it means she isn't interested 99% of the time.

As far as profile construction, again don't obsess over what to write. Keep it brief since writing huge paragraphs just makes you look like a tryhard. Also try to include things that are universally liked such as traveling, the importance of family, ambition.. etc. Basically only include things that you feel confident every single woman on the app can relate to. DON'T mention video games. DON'T mention religion or politics. DON'T say you're a vegetarian or big into hunting. Things like that could cost you a lay here or there. I'm an atheist and I used to put that in my profile and I can't imagine how many women it turned away.

Once the messages start, it's very time sensitive. You want to build a connection fast and get her number and get out of there. Any normal, high value woman is going to delete her profile within a day or two of making it because of how many creeps are bombarding her. Otherwise you're stuck dealing with the "lifers" who are usually the least likely to meet up anyways.

One quirk I've learned about getting a girl's number is never to give out your number and tell them to text/call you. It usually ends the communication completely unless there's very strong interest. Remember, a girl with any value is going to be juggling a lot of conversations. If you just give out your number she will most likely dismiss it. Ask her for her number and be direct about it. "What's your number? Texting is easier" usually works. If she spins some BS about wanting to talk more first or not being comfortable giving out her number, GET OUT. She's not worth the effort and almost certainly won't hook up with you.

Resist the urge to try and meet the girl the same day you start talking. I know it can work sometimes but in my experience it usually creeps a girl out and makes her reconsider talking to you. It reeks of desperation when you immediately are trying to meet someone in person. However, setting up a date a week in advance is a surefire way to have the girl flake. Oh yeah, flakes. They're common. Girls will get sick. Called into work. Things will come up. I've heard every excuse under the sun. It takes a lot to drag a girl out of her comfort zone.

I love using the word "spontaneous." It really resonates with women for some reason. Every girl thinks of herself as spontaneous. Work that into the conversation and watch her qualify herself by saying how spontaneous she is. From there, you can suggest putting that spontaneity to the test and meeting up. "Nothing to lose, right?" Girls almost always agree when I do this... but there's still a high flake chance so be advised.

I see a lot of advocates of these elaborate dates where you take a girl go-karting and out to dinner and salsa dancing... etc. I don't know about you guys, but I don't have the money to blow on hundreds of internet girls for that stuff. Coffee is almost always what I suggest. It's cheap, you can get it literally 24/7, and it's pretty non-threatening to a woman. I treat the coffee date kind of like a daygame approach where you go in, demonstrate value, and impose a time constraint and leave. I usually work in a kiss too. The second date is when I F-close and it works pretty well that way.

An almost foolproof way to judge your success after the first date is to see if they text you. DO NOT tell them to text you when they get home or anything like that. Just see what happens. If you get a text within 24 hours you're almost surely going to lay them. And if you don't hear from them, it's probably going to be an uphill battle / lost cause. Again there are exceptions but I've found this to be pretty accurate.

Most importantly, always keep messaging girls and keep them flowing because whoever is in your current pool is bound to fall out sooner rather than later. I make it a habit to immediately get on the apps and message new women after a date just to get some new prospects. I've had days where I went on four different coffee dates in one evening. Fortunately online dating is becoming more and more mainstream so it's not just for socially awkward fat chicks. I hope some of this helped.


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Thanks bro. That was very helpful. I am more of a Bar Fly, Club rat, Sarging Hero myself. Check my FR's this Summer for help on Day Game and Night Game.

Either way Summer is my thing (last Summer got a 45 yr old GF), so obviously not out sarging in the freezing cold. However I am browsing online and been at it for a year with no luck and very bad rejections. Sometimes obscene. Got a new message from a 9 on POF yesterday and a message from a 10 today. Like been doing this for a year and nothing even sometimes desperately sending chicks messages for months at a time and never one reply but 2 replies is super good since they are high class. The 9 blocked me but the 10 messaged me and just to be a A-hole I sent her a late night reply on FB. This 10 man. Friggin stunning! Because I am super good looking I have 4 or 5 girls after me at work and a harder time be attracted to anything but 9's and 10's. I think they like me too?!

So this 10 man messages me and I was like wtf? So I guess girls like that do like me. So since it's not Summer I have to rely on this online stuff. Very rocky so far as the 9's and 10's are super hard to find.


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jacksarge, I find it way easier to have the girls send the first message/ wink whatever. I got some good looking pics and in my profile used a simple three line statement. Such as "I can offer good looks, sarcastic wit, and a good time. However I do have a job, sorry about the baggage. If you think you can handle it message me and I'll take it from there." I get messages from low class but winks and likes from the hotties.


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Yeah flakes are standard with girls when initiating first contact online. Did you get a significantly larger number of girls from POF than OKC? If you've tried it, tell me are there any hot girls on Tinder or is it a whale fest?
I'd like to think you would get an even higher number of lays on Match-com because the girls pay and are serious about getting laid... what do you think?
What's your routine on the first phone call? I've been using The Cube since a long time ago but i don't like it anymore.


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Great post, thank you!

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Yeah flakes are standard with girls when initiating first contact online. Did you get a significantly larger number of girls from POF than OKC? If you've tried it, tell me are there any hot girls on Tinder or is it a whale fest?
I'd like to think you would get an even higher number of lays on Match-com because the girls pay and are serious about getting laid... what do you think?
What's your routine on the first phone call? I've been using The Cube since a long time ago but i don't like it anymore.
I briefly used Match when I first started the online gaming and had a difficult time with it. Granted, back then I was only 20 so now that I'm older it may be more successful. I have a hard time justifying that monthly fee though when there's so many free apps out there. I don't know if those girls are "serious about getting laid" more than any other girl. But they may be more serious about playing the whole "getting to know you" song and dance and dragging things out before meeting and then taking a handful of dates before you can get in their pants.

I use PoF, OKC, Tinder, and Hot or Not (which is basically the same as Tinder except you get a rating so you know how many people clicked yes/no on you).

PoF seems like the king because it has the most people in my area. Theres a couple cute new girls who create profiles on it every day (and the collection of lifers who are on it 24/7 and have a headline like "this thing is so stupid") I've gotten the most lays on here due to the sheer number of women.

OkCupid is basically the same as PoF. One subtle difference to keep in mind is every time you view someone's profile on OKC, they get notified about it. PoF only notifies them the first time you view them. So be careful about constantly referencing profile pics on OKC haha, it can make you seem creepy. Any difference you seem to find in the quality of PoF women vs OKC ones is probably just random chance. There's elephants and sexy chicks on both apps and they operate the same way.

Tinder and Hot or Not have a lot more women but you can only contact them if they click "yes" on you. but don't think that them clicking yes means they are immediately dtf. There's still a ton of entitled chicks on there who are in it for the compliments. I personally get a decent amount of matches on these apps but don't have a lot of success meeting women off of there. Most women just use it to pump their tires and out of boredom since it's so easy to set up. But it's worth using because it takes no effort whatsoever and you're bound to eventually get lucky.

This week was a really good week for me. In the past 7 days I got 3 new lays and one really great date that only ended in a makeout. These were all from online. One of the lays was of the first night F close variety. Here's what happened:

I met her at a bar downtown right from work so I wasn't looking my best at all. I made the critical mistake of letting her choose the venue so of course she picked the bar that she always goes to where she knows everyone. Don't let this happen to you! It killed my social value because she knew a ton of people in there and I knew nobody. I had to force myself into a bunch of different conversations with random dudes. Had i made her go to one of my bars, she would have been focused on me the entire night instead. However I stayed cool and didn't pout about it. I just knew we had to change location.

I told her I was really hungry and asked if there were any good places to get a bite (it was 1 in the morning by this point). She suggested a greek restauarant and so I told her to drive me since I didn't know the area. We went in and got food. I was able to escalate a little bit of kino there and also was able to make the conversation sexual. I literally think it started by me joking around about an older couple who was there and asking how often she thought they had sex. It led into us talking about our sex lives a bit and planted the seed.

I also made sure to kiss her once while we were in the restauant. When we left, I made out with her in her car and told her she should show me her apartment. She was totally against it at first and gave the typical "but my place is too messy". I didn't let it discourage me though and offered her to shake my hand. "I promise we can enter a 'no judgment zone' when I get there." I kept it light hearted and so she agreed.

Back to the apartment we went and before long we were making out again. "I hope you don't think we're going to have sex. I just don't do that on the first date. That's not me at all." I simply nodded my head and continued to escalate. We moved to the bedroom and clothes came off. She was really adamant about no sex but I was also adamant that I was not going to let myself orgasm until I made it inside of her. Eventually she grabbed condoms out of her dresser and we got it on.

I had to jog back to my car in the morning in the freezing cold and also got a nice 50 dollar parking ticket, but overall it was a successful night. Keep in mind I'm not a master of seduction by any means. It's just about being persistent and meeting as many women as you can.


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Yeah flakes are standard with girls when initiating first contact online. Did you get a significantly larger number of girls from POF than OKC? If you've tried it, tell me are there any hot girls on Tinder or is it a whale fest?
I'd like to think you would get an even higher number of lays on Match-com because the girls pay and are serious about getting laid... what do you think?
What's your routine on the first phone call? I've been using The Cube since a long time ago but i don't like it anymore.
I briefly used Match when I first started the online gaming and had a difficult time with it. Granted, back then I was only 20 so now that I'm older it may be more successful. I have a hard time justifying that monthly fee though when there's so many free apps out there. I don't know if those girls are "serious about getting laid" more than any other girl. But they may be more serious about playing the whole "getting to know you" song and dance and dragging things out before meeting and then taking a handful of dates before you can get in their pants.

I use PoF, OKC, Tinder, and Hot or Not (which is basically the same as Tinder except you get a rating so you know how many people clicked yes/no on you).

PoF seems like the king because it has the most people in my area. Theres a couple cute new girls who create profiles on it every day (and the collection of lifers who are on it 24/7 and have a headline like "this thing is so stupid") I've gotten the most lays on here due to the sheer number of women.

OkCupid is basically the same as PoF. One subtle difference to keep in mind is every time you view someone's profile on OKC, they get notified about it. PoF only notifies them the first time you view them. So be careful about constantly referencing profile pics on OKC haha, it can make you seem creepy. Any difference you seem to find in the quality of PoF women vs OKC ones is probably just random chance. There's elephants and sexy chicks on both apps and they operate the same way.

Tinder and Hot or Not have a lot more women but you can only contact them if they click "yes" on you. but don't think that them clicking yes means they are immediately dtf. There's still a ton of entitled chicks on there who are in it for the compliments. I personally get a decent amount of matches on these apps but don't have a lot of success meeting women off of there. Most women just use it to pump their tires and out of boredom since it's so easy to set up. But it's worth using because it takes no effort whatsoever and you're bound to eventually get lucky.

This week was a really good week for me. In the past 7 days I got 3 new lays and one really great date that only ended in a makeout. These were all from online. One of the lays was of the first night F close variety. Here's what happened:

I met her at a bar downtown right from work so I wasn't looking my best at all. I made the critical mistake of letting her choose the venue so of course she picked the bar that she always goes to where she knows everyone. Don't let this happen to you! It killed my social value because she knew a ton of people in there and I knew nobody. I had to force myself into a bunch of different conversations with random dudes. Had i made her go to one of my bars, she would have been focused on me the entire night instead. However I stayed cool and didn't pout about it. I just knew we had to change location.

I told her I was really hungry and asked if there were any good places to get a bite (it was 1 in the morning by this point). She suggested a greek restauarant and so I told her to drive me since I didn't know the area. We went in and got food. I was able to escalate a little bit of kino there and also was able to make the conversation sexual. I literally think it started by me joking around about an older couple who was there and asking how often she thought they had sex. It led into us talking about our sex lives a bit and planted the seed.

I also made sure to kiss her once while we were in the restauant. When we left, I made out with her in her car and told her she should show me her apartment. She was totally against it at first and gave the typical "but my place is too messy". I didn't let it discourage me though and offered her to shake my hand. "I promise we can enter a 'no judgment zone' when I get there." I kept it light hearted and so she agreed.

Back to the apartment we went and before long we were making out again. "I hope you don't think we're going to have sex. I just don't do that on the first date. That's not me at all." I simply nodded my head and continued to escalate. We moved to the bedroom and clothes came off. She was really adamant about no sex but I was also adamant that I was not going to let myself orgasm until I made it inside of her. Eventually she grabbed condoms out of her dresser and we got it on.

I had to jog back to my car in the morning in the freezing cold and also got a nice 50 dollar parking ticket, but overall it was a successful night. Keep in mind I'm not a master of seduction by any means. It's just about being persistent and meeting as many women as you can.

Fair play man! solid story! I have laid a few off POF but the majority seem to be flakes and nut jobs. might work better for an older clientele


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Many thanks for post. 90% is true :D


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Hey dude, I was a lurker but had to create an account to thank you for the advise. It's starting to really work.
I was hoping if you and I could chat. I'd like to share some Ideas with you.


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I can get numbers like none other (13 in 8 days) but they eventually fade out. Some stop texting, some barely text back, some are no longer interested/too busy, etc. It's really a numbers game.

Most of my success comes from OKCupid. I've found that site to be more long-term or more stable women whereas POF is more dating-based. In the past 3 weeks since I re-joined both sites, both from OKC, I've fooled around with all of 2 women (2x for 1 girl, didn't want to go further than fingering/rubbing me a bit).

When I was on there last yr, I had the same amount of numbers but better close rate, although those were mostly from POF (OKC this recent time). I could hook up with a girl from POF the same day but not anymore. Most were ones I've either messaged already or are too young/don't interest me. Now that I'm turning 30 in a couple months, I don't really have time for the 20 yr old morons.


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Great insight, the pictures are half the battle!

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I don't know if I mentioned this yet, but it's very important to remain stoic and even-keeled even in the face of flakes. Remember, every girl is a potential lay. If she flakes on you today, she's still a potential lay tomorrow. That's not to say you should invest a lot of emotion in anyone, but rather I'm urging you all not to burn any bridges.

It's so hard for me, trust me. I get angry. Girls come up with the worst excuses. If you talk to as many girls as I do, you'll learn to roll your eyes when someone tells you their family member is in the hospital, or they're really swamped with homework, or they're coming down with a sickness just before a planned date. These are all just lies that women create in order to avoid meeting up with someone they aren't even sure they like. The same goes for someone who claims they are just oh so busy for the next week or some other BS amount of time.

But do you call them out on it? Never. Do not give them the satisfaction of knowing they pissed you off. Instead, play it cool, be aloof, and live to fight another day.

Here's a recent example of what I mean. I was talking to a girl who was probably a 6-7 on the looks scale. Someone definitely worth trying to bang but not a stunner by any means. I set up a date for a Wednesday night and on the day of, she flaked and said she was too tired from work and wanted to just crash. She then suggested Friday instead. I just said sure, and resisted her attempts to make small talk for the rest of the night.

On that Friday, I sent her a text trying to set up the logistics. She came back with, "I'm sorry! I met a really great guy last night and I think it might be going somewhere. Good luck to you though! :)"

Naturally, I was enraged. She was flaking on me yet again, and to make matters worse she was the one who suggested Friday! I could have unleased an angry text on her, but I decided not to. Instead, I ignored her for a few hours and then sent her a picture. It was a pic of me holding a baby girl while I was volunteering at a daycare. I put the text caption "My friend here doesn't want you to flake on me :p"

She responds with "Omg that is so adorable! haha." and I say, "So i'll see you tonight then!"

That night, we drank at the bar for about an hour before I took her back to her place and banged her brains out three times. She's now a fairly reliable FWB for me.

Should I have just "nexted" her after she flaked the first time? Maybe. There are definitely some women who will just never stop flaking and will drive you insane. But I think it's wiser to keep every option open.


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Online dating is a great tool if you're looking to have more sex and meet women. I've used it almost exclusively and have some really crazy stories and have had tons of sex over the years. However, I'm still completely clueless when it comes to bar/club game and socially a little inept as well. But if you're just looking to increase your lays, online dating should always be considered.

It's very true that pictures are a major part of the battle. Find out what your best pictures are and use them. Try to be wearing a different outfit and be at a different venue in each picture. Don't use any selfies in front of a mirror unless you're extremely good looking. I use a picture of myself at a bar, a casino, and home with my dog.

Don't obsess over openers like some of the people on here seem to. If your goal is just to get a response, then sure... send some crazy paragraph. I can't tell you how many women I've met who tell me about some of the openers they get like the "I've married and divorced you in my mind" one and we both have a good laugh over how pathetic that is. You may get a response due to the shock factor but you're most likely not helping your cause to get laid with a calculated opener like that. Seriously, "hey. how's it going? What do you think about this crazy online dating thing?" works pretty well for me.

When I send a message, a woman will usually view my profile within 2-3 minutes. I can then expect a response within a minute and if I don't get one, it means she isn't interested 99% of the time.

As far as profile construction, again don't obsess over what to write. Keep it brief since writing huge paragraphs just makes you look like a tryhard. Also try to include things that are universally liked such as traveling, the importance of family, ambition.. etc. Basically only include things that you feel confident every single woman on the app can relate to. DON'T mention video games. DON'T mention religion or politics. DON'T say you're a vegetarian or big into hunting. Things like that could cost you a lay here or there. I'm an atheist and I used to put that in my profile and I can't imagine how many women it turned away.

Once the messages start, it's very time sensitive. You want to build a connection fast and get her number and get out of there. Any normal, high value woman is going to delete her profile within a day or two of making it because of how many creeps are bombarding her. Otherwise you're stuck dealing with the "lifers" who are usually the least likely to meet up anyways.

One quirk I've learned about getting a girl's number is never to give out your number and tell them to text/call you. It usually ends the communication completely unless there's very strong interest. Remember, a girl with any value is going to be juggling a lot of conversations. If you just give out your number she will most likely dismiss it. Ask her for her number and be direct about it. "What's your number? Texting is easier" usually works. If she spins some BS about wanting to talk more first or not being comfortable giving out her number, GET OUT. She's not worth the effort and almost certainly won't hook up with you.

Resist the urge to try and meet the girl the same day you start talking. I know it can work sometimes but in my experience it usually creeps a girl out and makes her reconsider talking to you. It reeks of desperation when you immediately are trying to meet someone in person. However, setting up a date a week in advance is a surefire way to have the girl flake. Oh yeah, flakes. They're common. Girls will get sick. Called into work. Things will come up. I've heard every excuse under the sun. It takes a lot to drag a girl out of her comfort zone.

I love using the word "spontaneous." It really resonates with women for some reason. Every girl thinks of herself as spontaneous. Work that into the conversation and watch her qualify herself by saying how spontaneous she is. From there, you can suggest putting that spontaneity to the test and meeting up. "Nothing to lose, right?" Girls almost always agree when I do this... but there's still a high flake chance so be advised.

I see a lot of advocates of these elaborate dates where you take a girl go-karting and out to dinner and salsa dancing... etc. I don't know about you guys, but I don't have the money to blow on hundreds of internet girls for that stuff. Coffee is almost always what I suggest. It's cheap, you can get it literally 24/7, and it's pretty non-threatening to a woman. I treat the coffee date kind of like a daygame approach where you go in, demonstrate value, and impose a time constraint and leave. I usually work in a kiss too. The second date is when I F-close and it works pretty well that way.

An almost foolproof way to judge your success after the first date is to see if they text you. DO NOT tell them to text you when they get home or anything like that. Just see what happens. If you get a text within 24 hours you're almost surely going to lay them. And if you don't hear from them, it's probably going to be an uphill battle / lost cause. Again there are exceptions but I've found this to be pretty accurate.

Most importantly, always keep messaging girls and keep them flowing because whoever is in your current pool is bound to fall out sooner rather than later. I make it a habit to immediately get on the apps and message new women after a date just to get some new prospects. I've had days where I went on four different coffee dates in one evening. Fortunately online dating is becoming more and more mainstream so it's not just for socially awkward fat chicks. I hope some of this helped.

Where do you live? I just want to know for logistics, I've been gaming for awhile in Northern Virginia, but I would see the same girls everyday on the sites and not many new ones rarely. I moved to Montgomery, Alabama and its even worst, very low quality woman and very few options. Online gaming really depends on the location.

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Solid advice, man. Confirmed what I suspected, got some good pointers. I'm new to this online dating stuff, so it helps.

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Good post, only thing I disagree with is purposely make date 1 short and NOT banging them. Not saying that doesn't work but 90% of girls that will go out of their way to meet you will do it cause they are horny and want sex TODAY. Chicks don't go on a date and think "hope I don't get laid". Yes there a small few who might but 90% are there for sex.

I'm like you I been internet dating for ages and got good at it, I go for lays date 1 every time and honestly it's pretty rare I don't get it.

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