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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:25 pm 
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Actually, I do have one question, I was experimenting with the cocky-funny thing on saturday with a friend of a friend when she dropped her phone. I realised my mistake as soon as I bent over to pick it up. I'd broken my frame and spent the rest of the night picking up stuff she'd dropped, bringing her stuff to the bin, etc. What I needed was a cocky-funny response to dodge havin' to do this shit for her, while not appearing to be an asshole, but I couldn't think of anything. I did try throwing in a neg after picking it up("God, are you useless?"-this makes more sense in Ireland), but it bounced off her.
I have a feeling this could come up a lot when I'm gaming girls as a shit test, so I need help. Any ideas???


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:21 pm 
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OKay you picked something up for her the 1st time...if u realized you already fucked that up, why did you keep picking her stuff up.

Dude, it has nothing to do with cocky-funny. You're letting all this stuff cloud you. Just start trying to be assertive and be your own person. You sound like you are trying to seek too much approval.

DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, NOT WHAT YOU THINK YOU SHOULD DO.

Also a neg has to come with the proper BL and tone of voice. Both will come once you start feeling confidently.

Last question...do you have trouble saying "no" to people? If so, this is step one for you. Save the cocky/funny, routines, etc for later when your confidence develops.

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Actually, I do have one question, I was experimenting with the cocky-funny thing on saturday with a friend of a friend when she dropped her phone. I realised my mistake as soon as I bent over to pick it up. I'd broken my frame and spent the rest of the night picking up stuff she'd dropped, bringing her stuff to the bin, etc. What I needed was a cocky-funny response to dodge havin' to do this shit for her, while not appearing to be an asshole, but I couldn't think of anything. I did try throwing in a neg after picking it up("God, are you useless?"-this makes more sense in Ireland), but it bounced off her.
I have a feeling this could come up a lot when I'm gaming girls as a shit test, so I need help. Any ideas???
Cocky-Funny is only one component of the game.It isn't the one true answer.Savoy,in "Magic Bullets",points out that one of the biggest misconceptions of the game is sticking to one guru,and thinking that that one discipline is the only one existent.

Take a look at the UFC.There isn't one fighter who just sticks to one solid style.The premise of UFC fights is MIXED martial arts,or more than one.In the pick-up game,many of the pros are versed in,not only cocky and funny,but effective storytelling,inner game mastery,impromptu openers,and a good sense of what's going on around.

With that said,let's get back to you're question.In you're situation,with picking up the girl's stuff she kept dropping,it isnt' really a matter of Cocky and Funny,but rather a small error in inner game.

This may not be the case with you,but from what you typed,it seems that you care a bit too much of what others think.You picked up the girl's stuff that she continuously dropped(Which seems like a shit test,btw),and she interpreted it as "Great.Another guy willing to kiss my ass,this time by picking up everything I drop and,being good little fido,picks it up".

Dont be afraid to come off as a bit of an asshole.The whole point of interacting with a girl you're attracted to is to come off as someone different,and there is no one more unique than...the romantic asshole.

Also,on the neg you gave(God,are you useless?),that was gold-standard...and often,even gold-standard negs will get non-responsive responses from women.It happens.Go with it.Some women dont have a sense of humor(Which translates to "What am I doing with her?"),some women want to test you to see if you stay congruent.When you neg,be non-responsive afterwards,even if she plays along.Non-Responsive is sexy.

Work on inner game,and maybe some loose ends on you're emotional intelligence IQ,which does have a connection between how well one can fix inner game,and also something I'm researching.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:24 am 
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I have pretty much the same problem as Negsta. As in, I so much want to go up to girls and talk to them but I just won't do it damn-it! I think what I need to do is just keep going to places where there are girls (i.e. the mall) and stay there for hours until I pull something off. As in, I've just got to keep applying the pressure, and keeping that door of opportunity open. When I am sitting at home, which I do most of the time, that door is closed. True, there is Internet dating, but that doesn't seem worth the effort. I just want to go up to girls in the real world and say 'hi'. For now, I don't care about fancy openers, DHV, negs, kino and all that. I just want to APPROACH. But obviously, I can't right now as I'm at home sitting on my arse. :(

EDIT: And the funny thing is, the desire to talk to chicks when I'm at home is not as great as when I'm out and about seeing pretty specimens everywhere. So, that leads to procrastination. But also, when I'm out I tend to can't help but say 'fuck it' and get back into the car and go home. Like today, for instance, I had to go into town for an appointment, but straight after I left instead of having a walk around for targets having made the excuse I need to get some rest because I'll be going out again soon, which is a bullshit one. See, I'm always making excuses as to why I shouldn't go out! Instead of using the Now to make progress, I'm always leaving it for the future, saying I'm bound to get results sooner or later. But I will never do it later unless I do something NOW! *sigh*

EDIT 2: One way, I guess, I could increase my motivation to talk to chicks is watch pornos frequently and look at sexy images of women, etc. But that could turn into an excuse not to go out because I'm too busy watching XXX films. I could watch them in the normal weekday nights, when the door is completely closed (i.e no clubs are open) though. But then again, that could just make me too needy for sex and so make things harder. Thoughts?

EDIT 3: Or maybe I should do the complete reversal. Deny myself those lonely pleasures. And also, stop wasting time on these forums. I think it's safe to say nothing anybody says will help me at this point. I've just got to go out and DO IT! And when I do do something I can report it here as a reward. Yes, I'm probably better off playing computer games than just having this PUA stuff going round and round in my head making me more confused. Thoughts?


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Well, yea, the best thing is to overcome. But that is like saying "It would be great to have a flying car", but the best things don't come easy. You can wish or hope all you want, but there is a process that needs to be done and for some people, it is near impossible. Overcoming this anxiety is among the toughest concepts a person can have. I still have a lot of trouble, but I use techniques to "overcome". They are scattered throughout the forum, if you can't find 'em, let me know.

(Excuse the cheesy simile, it was the best I could do this late)

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This is my first post... but this is something I can relate to.

I am not great with the ladies... YET :-) ... but after joining the PUA community I truly believe that anyone can get ladies!! You should too negsta!!

Coming out of Highschool I had 0 self-confidence. As I made my way through college I started to learn more about myself, which in turn increased my confidence. Analyze yourself and your friendships... find out what you like about yourself and what your friends like about you. These are your Character Traits... understand them, make them sound cool to you, and they will BE cool to other people... I hope that makes sense. IE I like my sense of humor and my friends do too... so I now believe that I am a funny Mother F'er and new people are going to think so too! It has helped me with my confidence with ladies and other areas of life as well...

The best advice I can give to you is to take any situation where you don't want to do something... IE Approach... give your self 3 seconds of negative thinking time then STOP ABRUPTLY... and say to yourself... STFU AND DO IT!!!! Take the first step IMMEDIATELY AFTER... THE FIRST SECOND IS ALWAYS THE WORST PART!! Whatever happens after that will seem less difficult... not easy... but less difficult.

Fear is a horrible thing friend... don't let it be your Master!!


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