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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 3:46 am 
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Hey guys, so this something that has really been concerning me a lot. Having already read up on a lot of sources pertaining to picking up women from different PUAs and dating coaches and what have you, it been my knowledge that a large majority or about 80% of the girls that you ask out are going to say no to you due to have their own various specific reasons. They say that the four general reasons as to why your success rate can't be higher are:

1. 20% have boyfriends (if online probably 10 have boyfriends and the other 10 are getting 100 messages a day)
2. 20% Aren't in a mental place where they will allow themselves to be picked up
3. 20% aren't attracted to you for reasons outside of your control
4. 20% are at the wrong time.

As a result, this obviously leaves a guy with 20% +/- girls out of the approach that are open and willing to be seduced by you.

If this is correct, then it seems like there are only a limited amount women that you would have a chance with. Furthermore, even with the 20% you have a chance with, they say that the most that you could probably success with are 50% of them -and that's if you really skilled at picking up and dating women-. Therefore, this would obviously mean that the most lays that you could ever get out of all the women that you could ever approach is 10% -again, that if you are talented enough with picking up and dating women-.

So, with all that being said and assuming that all of this is true, then not only would this seem to be an unfortunate and sad reality of the world that we men live in, but also it has me concerned with the probability of screwing up all the women I had a chance with. I mean, yes there are 7 billion people in this world and the majority of them are actually women, but still it's not like someone such as myself can travel around the world and conveniently approach any women I want, whether they be from a foreign country, or even out of state, or even out of your county. right? The furthest places that I can travel to that are the most practical for me to date or even practice approaching girls are areas that are either within my town or the next town over or maybe next two towns over or the closest big city that is near my town. I know that LA county (which is where I am in) has a population of almost 10 million and I found out that according to Google Public data of populations of specified , within the following age ranges there are:
females within 20-24 age range => about 386,000
females within 25-29 age range => about 377,000
females within 30-35 age range => about 363,000
While this still totals up to being about over 1,126,000 females from ages 20-35, I still can't travel to all the towns in my county since some of the towns are just too far away from where I live. Therefore, I would say that at most of the towns within my county are not viable for me to practice my approach and dating skills with women. This would mean that theoretically there would probably be about 500,000 females or less that are viable for me to approach. This still seems like a lot, though come to think of it, I don't think that I would ever be able to have enough time or even travel expenses in the future to approach all 500,000 of them throughout half of the LA county. I would then say that the most amount of approaches I could make towards girls would be 10,000. This still may be a lot; however, going back to the idea that a guy has 20% +/- girls chance with all the girls he approaches, taking 20% of 10,000 ultimately leaves me with 5,000 females between the ages of 20-35 to have a chance with. Do all these estimations seem reasonable?


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Holy shit dude, all of that is the reason you aren't getting laid.

You're trying to calculate the probability based on the population of your geographic location? Chill out, man!

Let's say it's 5,000 women. Let's just use your own math example, to boot. At 10%, that gives you 500 women that you are directly compatible with, NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT that people move to and from a town EVERY DAY.

Is 500 not enough for you? On top of that, if you approach even a fraction of that, you should be able to turn around that other 10%, unless you REALLY suck at talking to women.

Let's make this as simple as possible. 1 out of every 10 women you approach, you may have a chance with. Those are pretty good fucking odds. If you don't want to approach 10, you're being fucking lazy.

If you approached 5 women a day, 5 days a week (25 women), you should be getting a minimum of 1 date a week, or by your numbers, 2.5.

All of this aside, because it's kind of silly, you're psyching yourself out and overthinking everything, which ANYONE will tell you will quickly lead to failure. Relax. I know it's a numbers game, but it isn't a math equation!

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Holy shit dude, all of that is the reason you aren't getting laid.

You're trying to calculate the probability based on the population of your geographic location? Chill out, man!

Let's say it's 5,000 women. Let's just use your own math example, to boot. At 10%, that gives you 500 women that you are directly compatible with, NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT that people move to and from a town EVERY DAY.

Is 500 not enough for you? On top of that, if you approach even a fraction of that, you should be able to turn around that other 10%, unless you REALLY suck at talking to women.

Let's make this as simple as possible. 1 out of every 10 women you approach, you may have a chance with. Those are pretty good fucking odds. If you don't want to approach 10, you're being fucking lazy.

If you approached 5 women a day, 5 days a week (25 women), you should be getting a minimum of 1 date a week, or by your numbers, 2.5.

All of this aside, because it's kind of silly, you're psyching yourself out and overthinking everything, which ANYONE will tell you will quickly lead to failure. Relax. I know it's a numbers game, but it isn't a math equation!
First off, you're right I forgot to take into account the number of women that move in and out of town every day.

Second, I actually forgot to also take into account of the 5,000 women that I do have a chance with as to how many of them of them are sadly obese, near-obese, or have too much acne of them. Now, I still regard people as people, and I am sure they all have their own reasons, but these girls are have let themselves have such unattractive appearances that don't even really try to fix them. I mean, virtually anyone who is obese, near-obese, moderately overweight, even a little overweight can definitely attain a serious and rare medical condition that keeps prevents that person attaining normal weight no matter how good their diet and exercise regimen is. In such rare pathological cases, you would need to consult your physician or a medical specialist. In any case, practically anyone who is over or under weight can fix it, but they don't and apparently is still has been too difficult to convince those people to make such changes. Same idea with those who have a lot of acne on their faces; they can change it by primarily going to a dermatologist along with making some changes in their diet; however, they probably won't change even if you tried to convince them. Pertaining back to obesity, more than a third of the people in the U.S. are obese and according to CDC statistics about 25-30% of adults in California are Obese. With half of them being women this means that about 12.5-15% of adult females in california are obese. I don't know how many other females would be near-obese, but I would say that about another 12.5-15% of percent of all adult females in California. Regarding the women who have such skin problems would be mostly young women and it's not just teen girls, there are many women ages 18-35 who are also at normal weight or somewhat overweight have this skin issue. I would say that about a third of these women in a state like California have bad acne. So with all that said, if out of all the women in california that are ages 18-35, 12.5-15% of them are obese, another 12.5-15% of them are near-obese, and another 33% of them are at healthy weight but have bad acne, then that means that in total or overall there are about 58-63% of adult females ages 18-35 in california that have significant weight and/or skin problems. So, while there are about 500 women that I would have a feasible chance with, multiplying that number by 58-63% would come out to be 290 to 315 girls are viable and I myself would be willing to date at least just for the experience. Now, even though that still seem like a lot of dates, at least half of those girls would still be plain-looking. So that means that out of the girls maybe about only 145-160 of them are at least above average looking.

Third, when you say that I should be able to turn around that other 10%, do you mean the rest of the 500 girls that I would be directly compatible with?

I know that I am psyching myself out, but I am worried about the prospects I have in my life with women.


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Are you clinically psychotic? Keep fucking with those numbers and watch yourself never fuck with a woman. Jesus.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:09 am 
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Are you clinically psychotic? Keep fucking with those numbers and watch yourself never fuck with a woman. Jesus.
Look man, I am fearing that there are only very limited good single girls out there that are open and willing to be seduced and I worry that if I screw up with all of them then that's it it's over and I'll never have a happy sexual/romantic life because of the fact that I screwed up with all of the good ones that I had chance with (which are already very rare) and it would be almost if not absolutely impossible to get a second chance with any of them.


   


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You are presently operating under the scarcity model. Nothing wrong with that - most do.

However to succeed in this game it is a must that you adopt an abundance mentality.

You live in the second largest city in the United States. You could get with a different girl every hour for the rest of your life and only have probably been with less than 1% of the females in LA. Please don't do the math in an effort to 'prove my stats wrong' the point is - look around - there are women literally everywhere.
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80% of the girls that you ask out are going to say no to you
So even if you go by this logic, you ask out 100 girls and you have 20 dates. Get out of your head, get out there and take action.

The second you're pulling a girl's panties down and she's smiling at you, you will laugh your ass off for trying to talk yourself out of sarging for whatever reason.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:37 am 
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You are presently operating under the scarcity model. Nothing wrong with that - most do.

However to succeed in this game it is a must that you adopt an abundance mentality.

You live in the second largest city in the United States. You could get with a different girl every hour for the rest of your life and only have probably been with less than 1% of the females in LA. Please don't do the math in an effort to 'prove my stats wrong' the point is - look around - there are women literally everywhere.
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80% of the girls that you ask out are going to say no to you
So even if you go by this logic, you ask out 100 girls and you have 20 dates. Get out of your head, get out there and take action.

The second you're pulling a girl's panties down and she's smiling at you, you will laugh your ass off for trying to talk yourself out of sarging for whatever reason.
I am aware that I am having a scarcity mentality, but still I fear that it might actually for someone like me. I mean, I have already read-up on some e-books and researched a lot of info. online on how to approach and date women and I have tried applying all of those methods on several girls both in the real world and online, but the methods haven't been working for me.

Furthermore, the most successful pick up artists can probably number close all 20 girls and lay 10 for a success ratio of 50%. Aspiring artists like you and me will have lower success rates. The 20 dates or 20% of girls that I myself ask and who are both willing and open to being seduced, I may have a chance with those, but that's IF I CAN effectively seduce any of them. Otherwise, if I do fail with that 20%, then that's it and I end up garnering 0 girls out of all the 100 girls that I approached.

In addition, the good single girls are rarely found to be alone, and I don't know how to approach them when they are with friends.

Any help would be very much appreciated.


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So, no one is getting laid because there are no girls around!? Retarded.


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the most successful pick up artists can probably number close all 20 girls.
No one on the planet has a 100% # close rate. 20 in a row? Sure. But closing EVERY girl you ever open?: Doesn't happen.
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the most successful pick up artists can probably number close all 20 girls and lay 10 for a success ratio of 50%.
With all due respect you are simply pulling these numbers out of your ass. The most advanced players on the planet do not f-close 50% of the database in their phone.
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Aspiring artists like you and me will have lower success rates.
Don't assume that everyone on this forum is "aspiring."
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I end up garnering 0 girls out of all the 100 girls that I approached.
So what? Open 100 more girls then.
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In addition, the good single girls are rarely found to be alone
Amazing, hot, available, wonderful girls are alone all over the place. Look around!
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Any help would be very much appreciated.
For starters you need to lose ALL of the limiting beliefs that you currently possess. You seem quite attached to those beliefs however. If you can't drop them, I don't know what to tell you. If you can, then start reading through the forum here and grabbing some of the golden advice that's all over the place.

Try not to think of it so much that you are trying to "get" something from the girl and just have normal convos with them.
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I have already read-up on some e-books and researched a lot of info. online on how to approach and date women and I have tried applying all of those methods on several girls both in the real world and online, but the methods haven't been working for me.
Don't give up bro. The materials you have been studying are not a match for you. Stick around the forum. Ask specific questions on your sticking points. Hang in there. :D


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No one on the planet has a 100% # close rate. 20 in a row? Sure. But closing EVERY girl you ever open?: Doesn't happen.
I know that something like that doesn't happen. I was mentioning the 20% or 20 girls from the context of what was said earlier which was =>

As far as why your success rate can't be higher. Think of it like this. Out of 100 girls:

20 have boyfriends (if online probably 10 have boyfriends and the other 10 are getting 100 messages a day)
20 Aren't in a mental place where they will allow themselves to be picked up
20 aren't attracted to you for reasons outside of your control
20 are at the wrong time.

thats leaves 20 +/- girls out of the approach that are open and willing to be seduced by you. The most successful pick up artists can probably number close all 20 girls and lay 10 for a success ratio of 50%. Aspiring artists like you and me will lower success rates.
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Don't assume that everyone on this forum is "aspiring."
Well, I was referring to all of those who are trying to improve their pick-up skills, dating, etc. like myself.
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I end up garnering 0 girls out of all the 100 girls that I approached.
So what? Open 100 more girls then.
What do you mean so what? If I ended being rejected by that many girls then that would be insane. I mean, I've never even met any guy ever in my life who has said that they have even come close to approaching that many girls in his life. Not mention, what if even after all those 100 rejections, I end up not learning what I have been doing wrong, because all the girls you approach will never tell you the truth and even that I know and ask all just basically say to keep trying. Furthermore, what if I approach another 100 girls and I still fail with all of them? Then what if I open up another 100 girls and I still fail with all of those ones too, and so on and so on in an endless cycle of being a loser.

Look, I am just trying to make what if statements for the sake of them, my point is that because guys like me have a much less than 20% chance of getting a good date along with the fact that I have already failed with several girls in my life obviously means that the odds are not in my favor for guys like me. So if after approaching hundreds of girls none of them end up being a legitimate success for me, then it would turn out to be one of the saddest numbers games that I ever played in life. It would be as if I ended up being a pitiful gambling sucker. I wish I had an in-field PUA coach to guide me on what I am doing wrong, but they either seem ridiculously expensive or practically impossible to find.

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Amazing, hot, available, wonderful girls are alone all over the place. Look around!
Really?! According to my experience I very rarely see one that is hot and available. How are you able to see numerous amounts of them? Please enlighten me.
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For starters you need to lose ALL of the limiting beliefs that you currently possess. You seem quite attached to those beliefs however. If you can't drop them, I don't know what to tell you. If you can, then start reading through the forum here and grabbing some of the golden advice that's all over the place.
Try not to think of it so much that you are trying to "get" something from the girl and just have normal convos with them. [/quote]

I try so hard to drop them when I am around others. I never complain or look like I am sulking around those I don't know or I am not close with. I always try my best to have a good time with those people and they seem to have no problem being around me at all.

Believe, I would love to drop all of these "limiting beliefs" that I have, but I am ambivalent as to whether or not it would be wise for me to risk my pride, confidence, and reputation at the cost of approaching hundreds of girls.
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Don't give up bro. The materials you have been studying are not a match for you. Stick around the forum. Ask specific questions on your sticking points. Hang in there. :D
Well then, this might be a stupid question, but besides this Forum, how I am suppose to know for sure what PUA materials are a match for me so that I don't waste precious time and money on those that are useless?


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This is hilarious.

I work in data analysis for many, many years... This is absolutely hilarious.

Your figures and percentages are fabricated - 20% for this and 20% for that... so the base of your argument is already using bad data.

The rest of it can't follow either if the base is bullshit.

Not to mention this entire theory is psychotic and just over-complicating your life.

You could analyze bad data... and come up with bad conclusions with your bad data...

Or just go out and meet people.


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This type of post right here will be the sole reason why you aren't getting laid.


Stop over evaluating and take action. The amount of time for you to write this post you could have approached 5 women and you could've gotten a date with at least one of them.


This is simple... not complicated. When you over evaluate and try to make excuses for yourself you're giving validation for yourself that it's ok to fail.

There's plenty of information out there that will turn you into a pro... If the information doesn't work there's a coach that fits your style that can turn you into a natural... possibly in less then 6 months if you really take action and stop making excuses.


Don't let this kind of thinking sabotage your success dude. Stop giving yourself validation for failing. We've all fell on our face many times in order to finally "get it". The real "naturals" on this board are the one's that go out and take action like a WARRIOR!

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I agree with what most everyone else has said. You have negative beliefs and you have to fundamentally change those beliefs before you can succeed. You have to have an abundance mentality, you have to grow a pair and you have to stop caring so much about this shit.

Here's an idea. Grab some buddies and start going out regularly. Focus on having a great time, smile and enjoy yourself. Then, while you're having fun, say "hi" to the girl at the bar when you're ordering a drink, or the girls standing next to you, or who or whatever.

Focus more on having fun and let the conversation be a bonus. If you're having fun, she's more likely to have fun.

If she's busy or blows you off, shrug and keep having fun!

Your mentality is wrong and your focus is on the wrong thing. Have a good time and realize there are TONS of people out there that you can get to know, strike bonds and maybe even date.

If you go home having made ONE REAL, HUMAN connection, you've had a good night.

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Not sure if anyone's said it, so....sorry if it has been said but.........you're worrying WAY to much about getting laid. Thats not healthy.


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If anything, I'd say that 20% of women are open to being seduced by you is an overestimate. Out of the women I see on a daily basis I'd put the number closer to 5-10%. Get used to it, it's a tough world.

If I recall that breakdown is from Mark Manson's book? Out of all the PUA literature, I think that is probably the least useful of any, it's a manual in how to get beta'd every time. Personally, I'd throw it away and stick to something like Magic Bullets if you are going to read anything.

You're over thinking it and you are personalising it too. Those numbers don't just apply to you, they apply to everyone. Therefore either everyone is shit out of luck or no-one is. Quite clearly people are getting shags so it is nothing to do with the numbers. You sound like you've got both a scarcity mentality (in that you've thought yourself out of the running) and an entitlement mentality (in that you sound surprised that getting a decent woman takes time and work).

There are no magic answers other than going out and talking to women at every opportunity.

Even if your numbers are as negative as you believe, what are you going to do? You can't change them, nothing you do will make a difference so you either need to quit or keep going. There are no other choices. You can give yourself advantages but you can't change the field.

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