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seph89 wrote:
Hey brother,
I was actually just going through your posts on the one thread you started about you offering advice.
Lots of good helpful stuff on there.
In terms of outlook on game, women and life, we are definitely like-minded. You understand and acknowledge that this game is a SOCIAL science and that there are no laws when it comes to social dynamics. There are tons of variables to account for and the best thing you can do is get a read of the situation as each one will be different.
I've always felt certain instincts of mine to be the right ones. I've recently begun ACTUALLY studying game and learning the Mystery Method. Now I believe MM is a great guideline and tool in that provides a progression model you must go through with women, however certain instincts of mine in the field have told me sometimes act otherwise.
You've mentioned more than once about being polite. I COMPLETELY agree with this. There are guys who say you need to neg, neg, neg, but a lot of times this just doesn't feel right with ME. I like to playfully tease, but it is not in my own nature to neg all the time during the approach, unless it feels organic according to the situation.
I guess I'm just looking to make the interactions as natural to my own personality as possible without coming off contrived. What are some things that have worked for you in your past experience. Again I realize that every situation varies and one size does NOT fit all but I'd like to get your input, since it's definitely in line with how I wish to game as a seduction artist.
My mentor, Arash, definitely has this and he is and has been a GREAT teacher up to this point, although I find some of the advice you are giving to resonate with me more. I wish to explore that further by drawing wisdom from multiple great sources, as I'm sure you understand.
Thanks,
Sep
Hey Sep, thanks for the support. I appreciate it. All though you will probably get some useful information from the books and studying PUA. It seems like you have great instincts already. Nothing in the world can rival instinct. It is your full mind at work. We all know talking is only 7% of communication, gut instinct is usually never wrong as it is an accumulation of all your senses.
I am going to break down your message in paragraphs with answers along side them.
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You've mentioned more than once about being polite. I COMPLETELY agree with this. There are guys who say you need to neg, neg, neg, but a lot of times this just doesn't feel right with ME. I like to playfully tease, but it is not in my own nature to neg all the time during the approach, unless it feels organic according to the situation.
Being polite is a form of equalization ( in my mind), its incredibly neutral at worst, I see it as a positive variable. No women will ever be turned off by a polite intro/approach. She may need more from you to be interested but it will never be seen in a negative manner. This is why it is crucial upon approach. After enough experience with talking to women politely at first, you will catch on to common tells. It keeps them in a neutral state, therefore they are easier to read. IOI's body language, etc etc. You may still need to game them to show them you are different, but this can all be done during the seduction. By keeping it polite, it will open the door to their mind. I find women are attracted to specific characteristics of their ideal man. This can be hard to figure out, but if you ask the right questions during the chat, you can decipher what type of man they are ideally attracted to.
For example, women that are incredibly focused on studies, careers, and life goals, tend to be more attracted to the opposite, sexual bad boys with an edge. They may not be ideal to date, but this is why they are attracted to them. Where as party girls/club hoppers, like stylish guys that appear to be bad boys but have an intellect and show a deeper self.
Being polite and standing by it, will give you a good confidence to approach, it will be a sustained confidence that cannot be rattled. Even if a woman is rude as hell to you after an approach, it should not affect your confidence as that chick is straight up fucking rude, so fuck her anyways. You don't want to deal with rude bitches anyways.
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I guess I'm just looking to make the interactions as natural to my own personality as possible without coming off contrived. What are some things that have worked for you in your past experience. Again I realize that every situation varies and one size does NOT fit all but I'd like to get your input, since it's definitely in line with how I wish to game as a seduction artist.
You want to be as natural as you can be, what you are looking to do is ideal to becoming a good PUA. The more natural you are, the easier everything flows. What i explained in the previous paragraph is kind of the second step, you want to first match their ideal man as closely as possible, or at least give them the impression that you are. All along the way, you are throwing in tid bits of who you really are, naturally. It's no secret, to be a good seducer, you must be a good actor.
No man on the planet will be liked by every women, this is a fact. But you see, once you have matched their view of who they are attracted to, characteristically, you can then bring in yourself. it's all about getting through the unconscious guard. ( you'll have to forgive me, I cannot speak in PUA terms. I know none of it, i have not read any material at all, just what i read from post on here) The idea here is to figure out what type of man they like and become that man before they actually tell you. If you try to become that man after they know you know, it's too late, they will flake in a second and see you as a fraud.
The thing about getting past these two steps is that once you do, you don't have to keep it up. You can start to become yourself. Once you are past these steps, it's critical you show your sexuality. They need to associate you with sex, the more they begin to enjoy you ( the real you, with the perception of their ideal man) the more they will think of sex with you as you are associated with it. Women may have different time expectations as far as it comes to talking and being sexual, but they all will. So what you need to do is start off subtle and let them lead you. progress at the allowed rate they are giving you. Some women will jump right on the sexuality after your first subtle comments or moves, some will shut the door ( this just means they are not ready yet) if the door gets shut you simply slow it down, but always have it there. You must make it a part of who you are.
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My mentor, Arash, definitely has this and he is and has been a GREAT teacher up to this point, although I find some of the advice you are giving to resonate with me more. I wish to explore that further by drawing wisdom from multiple great sources, as I'm sure you understand.
I understand completely, and it is wise to learn from as many sources as possible, BUT! The best way to learn is from your own experience, hopefully you have developed the basic tools to approach women with a good state of mind. This is essentially all that your mentors can teach you, everything else need to be part of your own interpretation as your perception is your only truth.
What has made me as successful at this game as I am is the fact that I am always working on women, it's second nature now. I may not be trying to seduce every woman i meet, but I will always try to get something from them. Women of any age, any colour. I smile at them all, I am polite to them all, I will go out of my way to open the door for a woman that I have absolutely no attraction to. I will compliment an old lady on her hat. I simply make them a part of my life no matter what. These little things are basically storing unconscious data in my mind, which in turn are fine tuning my instincts.
Look at is as a long haul, your life. I have had nice things i have done for elderly/average women come back to me full circle. Met a HB 10 that was smitten with me, simply because I helped her grandma one day carry a bag of groceries from her car, 2 years priors. I have quite a few stories of things coming back to me, from being a gentleman to all women. Here's the thing, making a 65 yr old women smile, is essentially the same thing as making a smoking hot 25 yr old smile. By making it your second nature with all women, it becomes second nature with the select few that you want.
I hope this helps you get a better understanding of my views
CHAT
