A lot of people new to the game don't realize the purpose of negging, and think it's a magic strategy that will get then 100's of gorgeous women. A lot of guys think "I used to be an AFC, women like jerks, insulting a woman is something a jerk will do, so if I insult her I'll become a jerk and she'll automatically like me!'

Wrong.

A neg should be used to disarm a woman, who is on the order of a HB9 or HB10. Women that attractive are used to their looks giving them power over almost every guy, and the goal of a neg is to make a backhanded compliment that will bring her down from her pedestal, and establish yourself as at least equal to her. You should follow up by demonstrating higher value, to turn the tables on her. A neg paired with something to demonstrate higher value should (in order) make her less of a prize, and then establish yourself as one so she wants you.

If you neg a HB6 or HB7, she will probably be offended, as she is probably already insecure (seeing all the HB9's and HB10's getting all the attention) and will most likely hate you for it. If a HB6 or HB7 is acting with unwarranted self-importance, then a slight neg might be necessary, but if you just walk up to a moderately attractive woman and insult her, you won't get far.

Also, as a side note, a lot of NLP is BS. You'll sound like a creepy douchebag, so just don't use it.

This is why people need to actually understand MM. Mystery explains negs very well.

So I was in a club this weekend and three HB-7's / 8's walk in. They are just like any other HB-7 or 8, but they are all a little bit taller than the average girl. I figured it would be a good opportunity to try a neg opener that cut them down based on their height. I proceeded to ask them if they were athletes and suggested sports that are typically played by more unattractive girls (i.e. softball) This led to some friendly conversation, but I was wondering if this was an appropriate opener and/or what you guys think about neg openers. Please advise.

- Teddy

If it led to conversation, it worked. Simple as that. That's the whole point of openers and negs. So that the girls will open up to you.

It disarms the group.

It makes it seem like
you're not after the
target. If you throw a
neg, it's like you have
no interest in anyone
and you're just this cool
guy hanging out. They
are not threatened by
you, if you disarm them.

I disagree. I believe on negging everyone. If you don't neg a girl be prepared to be put in LJBF ZONE.

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If you neg a girl incorrectly, get ready to be in the creepy douchebag zone.

There are things worse than LJBF.

Exactly... Incorrectly. Thats why you always calibrate.

If she not a high hot babe you can throw a neg about intelligence and she won't get offended.

And she will most likely asshole for using a neg and not creepy.

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You may want to know what your talking about before stating things as facts.

I'm going to ask you to defend your statement now, before I make that statement look ridiculously foolish.

What is your exposure, knowledge, and experience with NLP?

Do you know the elements of NLP?

Do you know the steps in order?

Also remember even Ross Jeffries the PUA's NLP god persay is in the NLP community considered more of a gimmick guy... he uses some parts of it well but leaves large chunks out completely.

btw briefly summurizing myself before you post your response:

I've used NLP on to cure 2 phobia's and one social disorder in people, also to do a fire walk, and to increase my own IQ by almost 40pts (which is supposed to be finite). I've studied Bandler, Robbins, Grinder, Jeffries, Erikson, Perls and Satir.

Hey buddy, mind sharing what you're reading? I'd seriously wouldn't mind increasing my IQ.

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Hey buddy, mind sharing what you're reading? I'd seriously wouldn't mind increasing my IQ.[/quote]

Well You can change pretty much anything about yourself if you know the proper steps...

I'd recommend reading "Awaken the Giant Within" by Anthony Robbins first... Personally I consider this book the second most important book in my life (I'm relgious otherwise it'd be #1)

After that I'd read "Frogs to Princes" By Bantler and Grinder

This is the origional work on NLP written by it's "Founders"

Also I'd study the "Milton Model" which models Milton Erikssons technics as the founder of Hypnotheropy

And the Gestalt method which was created by Perlz

Those to are what I'd call the main building blocks for eliciting change through NLP...

The third model called "Family Theropy" is where we draw anchoring from, and most PUA's will find they already know most of the usefull info from this model...

So when you learn how to use a more full NLP tool box it can become much more powerfull... You can wire yourself up however you want so to speak.

Actually I was thinking of posting a how to in the confidence section on Reframing yourself so that you don't have to "fake it till you make it" so to speak... but through NLP actually adopt that frame as how you act insted of a trained habit like some try over the period of time...

If theres interest in that from the community let me know and I'll write it up when I have a bit of time.

Alright, thanks.

I'll look into that.

I'm usually turned off by NLP, because the way most people mention it. But you didn't make it sound so bad. And lately I've been incorporating NLP into my routines (no, nothing like anchoring or anything manipulative), but when in the comfort stage I tell them how you could determine if someone is lying simply by asking them a series of questions and watching their eyes. I consider this more of a body language thing, but I was told it was NLP. So I guess I'm teaching the girl NLP...

My main thing is, I was watching this NLP video where this girl made a guy fall for her (very powerful, even I felt the emotions when watching the video)

I figure I can use some NLP techniques on myself, because I really think it would help my inner game.

Anyways here's a quick explanation of eye movements, I made a routine out of it that I'll gladly post later. You could probably develop your own after learning this, I'll post mine later because frankly I'm just to sleepy right now to write it out.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJoEplsS3uA[/youtube]

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"With ignorance and arrogance, success is assured."

IMO thats one of the greatest uses of NLP.

NLP is just so much deeper then most give it credit for... proper knowledge and use of it... the best way I could describe it is like having a users manual to your brain... the most powerful instrument in anyone of our lives.

Ok I just watched that Vid... I guess you could call it a part of NLP but I'm not really sure how that would help you in the slightest with NLP, lol. It would confirm if the person was thinking of things you asked them to... but part of NLP if your actually engaging in programming is the person being programmed MUST be willing. This is also true in Hypnotheropy, where I think this may be more usefull because when under hypnosis the subject is more diffricult to garner feedback from then with NLP were they are in a fully "concious state"... Interesting though

Your putting so much emphasis on the neg here that many peoples game will revolve around them. A neg isnt described essentially as a backhanded compliment or a way to disarm them.

Essentially, it is a tool for disqualification. ie. No man who is interested in me would be saying this, and she lowers her bitch shield as a consequence.

As a result of this a neg dosent have to the center of you game, nor does it even have to be spoken, while in conversation with a girl take out a tissue and blow your nose very casually. NEG.

If you have set up a playful SPAM ask her to pull your finger, assure her this time when you do it, it is special and not the fart. Thn when she pulls it make fart noise and go hahaha i couldnt help myself ok here i'll do it this time. over and over. No guy interested in her will ask her to pull his finger.

Is this making sense?

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What a title!