Could one-itis literally be an addiction to naturally-produced opiates, or possibly to some sort of dopamine rush, the same internal mechanism that opiates provoke?

Consider the symptoms.

Consider the difficulty of dropping it.

Consider the fact that the longer you go without contact with the object of your oneitis, the more it goes away, oftentimes leaving you wondering what the flying fuck you were thinking.

Other posts here have touched on the subject-- including the excellent "How to get her addicted" post or similar title.

Could dopamine addiction LITERALLY be what's happening?

Coincidentally I have a good friend who is currently in the grip of kicking a real heroin addiction. Her experience seems very similar to oneitis in many ways. Is it literally the same thing?

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Um... no... Heroin addiction can be helped with a SPAM of methadone. One-itis is cured with FTOW (find/fuck ten other women). What freakin' psychology and/or medical books/classes are you into to come up with THIS theory?

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And why is that? What's the biological basis?

What's the biological (neurotransmitter) basis for infatuation?

What's the precise neurotransmitter basis for heroin addiction?

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pick-up-artist-forum dot com seems like the perfect place to ask someone to explain the neurotransmitter basis for something!

Well, he did argue so I assumed he must have some idea what he was talking about.

Everything spoken about here, from beginning to end, has a neurotransmitter basis. Even more than most things do. My suspicion is that the vast majority of oneitis specifically is dopamine...

But let the man answer!

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I understand what you are saying and shit you have an amazing mind! You should be proud of being able to think in this new perspective. Yeah..... Love, or being 'addicted' to one girl, or being unable to forget one girl, is in essence, the same as a heroin addiction. Like, once youve experienced that 'high' i.e. sex with HER, you can never forget it, and it affects everything from your mood, your motivation, everything, it becomes an obsession; I understand what your saying. Great thread!

I don't mean in essence!

I mean is it LITERALLY an addiction to a natural opiate!?

I'm glad you see what I'm getting at. I think it's a very interesting subject for discussion. People talk about oneitis all the time but there's very little discussion on how to deal with it other than FTOW.

Hypothesis: tapering off prior to cold turkey may work.

Ever had it really, really bad? Ever had that unpleasant feeling in your chest?

Unpleasant feelings in the chest are a symptom of drug addiction.

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If the process of attachment (One-itis would seem to be attachment of a particular kind in a particular context) is LITERALY a Dopamine addiction, then it should be entirely possible to stop or break an attachment by replacing the Dopamine source via a booster shot.

If this WAS the case, then I'd be incredibly suprised to see that their have been no animal studies in this.

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In short, no I don't think "One-itis" is a dopamine addiciton, seeing as attachment and addiction have to seperate funtions and mechanics at play, and as of yet I have seen no Hard Science to back the idea that One-itis is caused by an addiction to natrualy produced opiates.

WHY the hell are you so interested in comparing infatuation/one-itis to heroin addiction? You just rapid fired 4 questions here in this post. FTOW works. I've done it numerous times:

http://www.pualingo.com/pua-definitions ... omen-ftow/

I'm not a psychology major nor do I want to research the "neurotransmitter basis for heroin addiction". This post is a wee bit upsetting to me. F#ck this thread.

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I was thinking that too! But if you did that you'd run the risk of getting addicted to whatever you were using as the replacement, the way heroin addicts in SPAM get addicted to dopamine!
That's sort of what the thread is about. If it's upsetting to you for some reason I encourage you to participate elsewhere. I do find it interesting that you mentioned methadone and FTOW in the same post but you apparently don't see the connection.

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Cool idea Spandrel

I would imagine this would be because of the difficulty of proving an animal is in love.


As far as I am aware, love is an emotion that science doesn't know very much about but logically one would assume that it is to do with a range of neurotransmitters and impulses. Therefore, it is fair to assume that like anything in the brain - repeat use of those pathways leads to a stronger feeling and therefore something that is very similar to addiction. I wouldn't however say it was down to dopamine alone.

However there are many who would believe love is more than just a neurological stimuli and there is some deeper meaning in it.

As for breaking the addiction - this tends to be what happens a lot of the time. If you look at most men when they break up after a long term relationship they normally "recover" by doing lots of things - work, sport, drinking. It is just replacing one stimulus with another. Normally it also takes about 20-30 days to start feeling "alright" again - oddly enough this is about the amount of time it takes to stop a habit which is essentially what is happening (your brain is in the habit of thinking about your ex and how happy etc etc whatever).

Most people though tend to start to balance out their new addiction over time - mainly because the habit isn't as strong and therefore new interesting stimuli grab their attention (the new hot girl/guy or something).

Which is why they would run these studies on animals, I can't find any such tests. Nor can I find any neurological study on Dopamines MAJOR role in attachment.

Opiods do appear in attachment but along with a shit load of other drugs that would make it very hard to say that an attachment is a dopamine addiction.

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Madals; Google "Attachment", there is a host of research on this area, "love" is not really a "thing" or "feeling" nearly as much as it would seem to be a linguistic expression describing certain kinds of attachment.

Ain't Talkin Bout Love!



http://www.scientificamerican.com/podca ... 2731D31045

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=c ... nfatuation

Also, numerous scholarly papers on the same and related subjects:

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=dop ... as_sdtp=on

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No ones going AGAINST the idea that dopamine is related to attachment. But to say one-itis, is itself just a dopamine addiction is for myself a step to far.

There are plenty of other chemicals bounding around during attachment, that I see no need for Dopamine to be the specefic chemical that is hooked on.