there are a lot of sides of the "nice guy"
A long time ago,i did nice things and didn't want anything in return.People just wanted more and more for me,and when i couldn't give,or didn't want,i was labeled loser and idiot.they forgot about what i did for 2 years for them.That's just the way of the world...if you are better than it,and want to change it,one day it will bring you to an even level.You can't go on 4ever

That is bullshit.

What he really means is he did nice things for the feeling of self-satisfaction.

As pessimistic as it seems there's no such thing as a selfless act.

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Impossible is just a big word thrown around by small people - Muhammad Ali

So i will give you an example.I am the best at german in my class,and some girls asked for help.Some i liked,some where ugly.I helped them not thinking of anything,and it didn't make me feel "good" about my self either.I just did it,because i had no reason not to do it.I knew i could do something,that for me is little effort,and for others can save up time and energy.And i did it,like an idiot.And when i realized it was to much to do for others,then i was the idiot and they made fun of me,they forgot everything i did,they took it for granted for the beginning.

Not necessarily madz!

For those who are not familiar with the term, altruism is the concept of being thoughtful and kind, without any intended gain. You may think that altruism is present all over the place - for example when someone gives to charity. The question of whether altruism exists or not comes down to whether the person giving the money was after a feeling of reward - to feel good about themselves for helping out. So most things which appear altruistic such as the statement by robizeratul summarised, could well be selfish in seeking self esteem.

HOWEVER - this doesn't necessarily mean altruism doesn't exist - today I bought a rabbit. Rabbits bang their feet on the ground hard if a predator is nearby. This serves to bring the predator closer to themselves yet saves their family. An undisputedly altruistic act as their is no possible gain for this from the rabbit.

We too, may be giving without seeking return.

It's genetic material is passed on. Evolutionary need.
Social status. You hoped the girls would like you more and therefore you would have a better social life.

I am not picking on you, but this is the prime example of being a "nice guy" - you make out what you are doing is selfless but in reality you still want something back, you just don't have the balls to admit it.

AHA - it may be an evolutionary need for its genetic material to be passed on - but therefore it would make more sense to just run to safety and leave the others - then it can pass on it's own genetic material as opposed to similar genotype.

But yeah dude, I'd agree with madals on this one, just because while a motive may be selfless (theoretically), you are still totally aware of the potential outcome of saying those kind of things, and they are said in a format which would suggest you're trying to get something.

No it really wouldn't make more sense... Due to this, one rabbit would die as opposed to a family.

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Impossible is just a big word thrown around by small people - Muhammad Ali

anyone who says that they do a selfless act for no reason is talking bs! they do it because they expect something in return, yes self-satisfaction or to get laid or money or a favor so you do it for something in return. people who say that they enjoy their job dont, they like what it gives them! money, higher social value and being envied. guys who say that they are nice to girls are doing so because they want something sex higher social status and to be seen with attractive girls.

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life sucks and then you die! deal with it

Our instinctive drives won't consider numbers like that. It is presented with a choice between self and others. Self wins, regardless of whether others is 1 person or 10.

By the way - I don't even believe in altruism. Just like a good argument.

I can't think of the reason for why i did it.Why can't you accept that it may be second nature?okey,u am past that,but there are people who really do good stuff and don't expect nothing in return.If bullshit can be pumped in our heads,why can't good stuff be there too?I don't say i am a saint ,but i can say that i did good stuff in my life,and didn't expect nothing in return.Not even the feeling of doing something good.Some times i felt nothing,i just did it,for logical reasons.Well,that's my opinion at least...

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"Our instinctive drives won't consider numbers like that. It is presented with a choice between self and others. Self wins, regardless of whether others is 1 person or 10."

We are not ruled by our instincts,nor our genes.We have the capacity to choose,even if PUA or others want to makes us think that it's not possible,attraction is not a choice.Well,maybe it isn't,but in the end,you make a choice!
And by choosing yourself,think of how many men(i can't think of 1 women)that died for something greater than themselfs.For a country,for a religion,only for one idea.
I know religion is bullshit,but just think about it this way.Europe fought against islam for centuries.Would it have been the same without religion?If you really believe that your actions will change the world,will save lives and souls of others.Who the fuck wouldn't kill if treathened with eternal pain?(for him and his families)
History is full of those who chose to die so others can live.

I was going to write a long post, but frankly: That is the reason they did it, they thought that if they didn't they would suffer. They didn't want to suffer, so did it!
Hell, if you honestly can't then the reason you most likely did it was because you had nothing better to do and doing something was better than doing nothing. You did it to avoid boredom.
What were the logical reasons then?


There is nothing wrong with doing something nice, but people ALWAYS get something out of it (physical, emotional) OR they will avoid something bad happening (like being killed).

Here is an example, I walk up to you in the street and ask you to give me all your money.... you probably wont. If I then pull a gun out you probably will give me all your money to avoid dying.

Being friendly to seek approval is needy. Being UNfriendly to "raise your value" is needy. Needy people depend on others' reactions. - By Stormy

Be nice, because you like to be nice.