How do you deal with the moral dilemma Faced by becoming PUA?

By this i mean how do you guys feel about picking up women for what is to you filling a purpose and for her quite possibly more?

How do you guys personally Let a woman down easy?

Have any of you guys got a woman so attracted to you that you have "pat your shants" and realise you may want to eject?

Please discuss

Regards, Saint

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I don't consider there to be a dilemma at all.

Since I go direct, I am always completely honest about my intentions going into every interaction. I do not play games, false disqualify, or use any tricks to "get her to like me" I only get her initially interested, and then display my personality and just "be." If she's into me, it'll be clear. If not, I move on.

As the relationship progresses, they will quickly know that I do this semi-professionally and they have to be cool with that (most are REALLY interested and find it awesome!) They then are told specifically that it's an open relationship, and have the free choice to leave. Only one has left, (and she came back and is still obsessed and in love with me despite us not being together anymore now for 1-2 months).

So, without lying, there is no guilt and no moral dilemma.

As for women getting attracted - it happens all the time! The WORRY is when a girl gets very EMOTIONALLY ATTACHED to you, over the period of a few months. This will happen, and it sucks, but you either have to choose to be with them exclusively, or just tell them they're asking for a reciprocal love you cannot give them, and they should move on rather than get even more attached to you and thus more hurt.

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A lot of PUA's just want to improve their game so they can have a choice. And when the opportunity occur, they know how to get the women that they want.
If you are a men with core values, authentic and honest. You don't have that many ethics question, because you are already a person with ethics.

Sometimes, if I hang out with different women, I could feel guilty for a minute. But If you are not exclusive with anybody, you can do that... I'm honest with myself & others, and I do things that I consider socially acceptable.

I follow this rules :
- I check if it respect my core values & personality. If yes, I do it.
- If I'm not sure... I ask myself if it's socially acceptable to do it.

Don't lie, but you can conceal information. Ethics questions are really subjective and depends on the culture. I'm foreign, and they are things I would do in the US and won't in France, and the other way around as well.

E.G. In the US you can bang as many women as you want until you specify that you are exclusive, it's socially acceptable, the social rules allows me to do that. In France, as soon as you have sex, you are automatically exclusive with the women, I won't fuck around unless I specified that we aren't exclusive.

Really?

A French girl came to visit me over valentine's weekend and it didn't seem that she had this attitude at all?

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Maybe she is Americanize as I do

Thanks guys that was exactly the kind of stuff i was thinking about. I am currently in a relationship with a woman so for me its not as much about what i am doing as what i have done that i was thinking through.

Its when i got to the point of stopping my open relationships and settled on this older, very attractive young woman that i came across my problems. I found that when trying to finish things up with the other ladies in my life that i had a problem.

Eventually i have come down to using two mottos.

1. You leave a woman better of or the same as you find her.

2. You cant please everyone, this is attraction and unfortunately sometimes one of the two people involved are going to be less happy.
I didn't know that about french woman and your only a small channel away from me. I have been with two french woman and they both were pretty relaxed about the whole open thing.

Thanks for the input so far guys

Regards, Saint

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1)Don't lie
2)don't become a 'PUA'.


Tbh i dont understand what you mean. I dont want to kill people, so i dont.

If you dont want to be a PUA, dont.

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I had some open relationship with French women. What I meant is, if you don't explicitly says that you want an open relationship with her, you are not suppose to date anyone else. If you do, you would be tag as an asshole.

It's not always easy to cut relationship, it's something I've never been good at it. I had a lot of empathy, for the best and the worst. Who can resist a sad/crying women ?

My rules are your #1 as well, I agree with your #2, but I would add "Every women deserve to be happy, and I'll do my best to do that".

An important ethic point I was talking about with some friends, is drunk sex. And I came to that conclusion :
#3 I don't have sex with a drunk women ( unless we are already intimate ), I'll wait another time.

"How do you deal with the moral dilemma Faced by becoming PUA? "

very very easily, because there is no moral dilemma. Its called "Dating". Just take the whole "pua" out of it and see it for what it is.

You are going through a phase. Attracting the opposite sex is a natural phenomena and shouldn't involve and Moral Dilemma unless you are just stuck on routines and not being congruent with yourself.

Yea but thats the point you are not just dating like a regular guy. When i approach i know what i have to say, how to act and how to keep a girl interested. More recently i've learned how to punish a girl for behaviour i don't like, how to manipulate my social surroundings so that i'm more comfortable and how to pick up in the subtle changes in body language to learn more than i'm being told. That skill becomes a responsibility and to ignore that, i personally feel, is irresponsible. Thanks for your post man as i feel i hadn't explained myself as well before. Cheers

Marc Thanks for your post man i think that you are right. I am just going through a self critical phase. But i am now in a settled relationship with a beautiful woman i'm now just judging my actions that have got me to this place.

MrLe I totally agree with your 3rd rule as well, gaming drunk woman is a total no no in my book. And yea a crying woman is my Achilles heel when it comes to breaking up and is probably the reason i created this post.

Regards, Saint

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you would have to define what "dating like a regular guy" is, and then judge everyone who does not conform to that standard.

I think you are stuck in some rigid black and white thinking, as if there is one true good way to date. There really isn't.

All the moral stuff you may be worried about existed long before there was any pua stuff.

Also, you are taking a bit of an ego leap, assuming that your pua skills give you mind control powers or something. They don't. In the end, the girl still has to like you, and girl is ALWAYS the one who decides to have sex .

RELAX !

Dude your bang on at the end there i do need to chill a little more when thinking of the past. Its in the past and so it should stay. I also liked the black and white analogy you used i do get caught up in that mind set sometimes however i'm aware that there is a bloody lot of grey out there to be looked at.

However your post is flawed in two ways.

1. By working at PUA i know i have become better with women. Its as a result of the training that i have done that i am the way i am. Its not conscious thought now, its more part of who i am. However i do have a responsibility for how i act.

2.You are wrong about the woman always deciding when to have sex. For me the moment of my Game experience where i realised that, was the moment i believe i started to be successful. Now its not 100% of the time but with my misuses, who i am with now, i decided that she was mine and i was going to have sex with her. It was me who said no first time it came up and second time it was me who said yes.

For me the most valuable point about that area is that;

"A woman has to have the illusion of the choice, she doesn't actually have to have it she just has to believe that she does."

Sorry this has come across quite critical but i did really like your post.

Happy Hunting, Saint

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Well, it's just sex, it my be different in the states, but guessing form the number of PUA's over there it must depend on where you live.

Sex does not force you into a contract with her, if you had said, "I wanna be your boyfriend" to get laid, well now we are entering rough territory.

Overall though, if you meet head back to yours and fuck, 98% of the time, she knows that its just sex, and it doesn't go any further than the two of you want it to.

As far whether women have a choice in sex, I believe they always do.

About the whole moral dilemma thing, that only works if you believe you are truly controlling the woman so much that she would have sex even if she really doesn't want to. Women do have sex even when they don't want to, but its because they are in a LTR and just want to go to sleep

Lets say you use some technique and the woman gets horny, and has sex with you. How is that worse than if she saw some male stripper in a thong, got horny, and had sex with him ? The woman had some feeling or emotion and then had sex. The source of that feeling and emotion could be a lot of things, perhaps something you say at just the right time, that isn't automatically a bad thing.

I'm not changing the subject, but I also believe that guns don't kill people, people kill people. I have fired guns many times, but I have never killed anything, not even a deer, with a gun. I don't blame inanimate objects, or books, or techniques, I take my responsibility. You will have guys doing NLP or whatever and some of those guys have bad intentions, but that doesn't mean NLP or whatever is bad.