I do daygame, and have some success with it, although I have long way to go.

Here is my game plan-I combined it from everything I've read-I'd love to hear your opinions and critiques.

Here is what works for me:

Things I do from opener to bedroom(and maybe in bedroom):C#F, push-pull, compliance tests, kino escalation, seductive frame e.g.seductive eye contact etc.(fully explained in GWM)

1)Observational opener(David Wygant has good staff which helps you open sets in any situation and build good rapport-basically to be good conversationalist-the key here is in ACTUALLY LISTENING to what girl says and also looking for interesting details, in her and just in situation)

2)Talking about random, non sexual staff(rapport, opportunity for logistics, to get number or isolate)(since we start with neutral topic C#F and push-pull are important here)

3)number/kiss close-go away to do something fun with your friends .(you get the number because of logistics, which you get by listening to the girl and building common ground(e.g. common interests) in part 2)

4)Text game(don't like phone game, since its real-time you can easily mess things up, but if you desire phone game, write down 5 routines in front of you, and play it cool) I try to keep text game short, and write about fun staff I'm doing now/gonna do soon, and invite her.

5)Day 1:-turn one date into 3 mini-dates by changing locations(thanks to blondguy for advise),basically go up compliance ladder until the sex itself+I like playing games to keep convo interesting(for me as well)-number of dates till sex itself varies depending on a girl and your skill.

If there is more than one girl, then engage the set(without isolation) and get numbers of more than one person(to take away the awkwardness that might occur).

My K-close: Triangular gazing, grab lower back, drop a cool line e.g. "This is the part where you close your eyes" go for a kiss, if turns her cheek away-try again-usually works, but if it doesn't, laugh about it, as if nothing happened and say something like"I thought you wanna kiss me."

If you want further details, pm. me.

This is what my game looks like now.

P.S. I'm still learning and I'd love to hear your opinions and corrections for further progress.

I love the line "This is the part where you close your eyes" where did that come from and how did I never hear it before?!?

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I'll be adding in this thread as I make corrections to my game.

All pretty good, if it works for you.

However, I wouldn't SAY anything like "I thought you wanna kiss me" or anything about the kiss. You attempt, she brushes off, you pretend like nothing's happened, talk a bit more, and then try again a few minutes later.

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If she turns away, gently tongue kiss her neck, then cheek and at that point you expect a head turn for close.

ADDING-now after fixing my sticking poinst, I found what they really were. I actually had 2 of them:

1) Improper kino-escalation(gaps were too big e.g. trying to make-out without holding hands, shoulder, waist)-although worked sometimes

2) Getting into the "state."


P.S. I think phone game is more effective. Now the day I n-close I send a text with call-back humor(to make sure I'm in her phonebook) and then mostly calls. (that makes it harder for her to reject)

Kino escalation is more to see if they're comfortable with you touching them there and progressing it forward... that's why make-outs sometimes work without any kino escalation, she was just comfortable enough for it.

I was gonna comment on the text thing too, but you figured it out. With text they can easily ignore it, and if you send another text you risk looking needy.

Also with texting you're not talking to JUST her, but to all of her friends too, when she gets a text from you and she's with friends she'll go: "Awww, look what he send me, what should I send back? Ohhh thats a good one Ima try that"

Phonecall is MUCH better, plus you can't get your overall vibe across with text, but you can over the phone. And you can risk her misinterpreting something you send through text....then you gotta add smileys and shit and you'll come across as less manly..... text is an art form really It works sometimes but its better to call.

"Texting is for faggots" -Hank Moody (Californication)


The rest looks awesome, but I'd also put some flirty/sexual frames up at 2 so she knows it's not just a friendly talk. You can set these frames in daygame too, but just less extreme then in nightgame. For example; use words like: cute, instead of: sexy.

Nothing more to add other than to go practice

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