I'm just wondering, how much of what is being taught and talked about on this and on other forums is completely useless? I mean there a lot of things I see people talking about that I don't think make a difference in whether or not you get laid.

A lot of people get into game and seem to care about this more than actually fucking any women. They come up with all these clever lines, negs, cocky funny responses. All they want to do is talk about "material". Half the time the stuff they talk about is completely pointless.

I was on a thread on here, where some guy is making a big deal about how some girl said that he looks gay. He just gets loads of responses from guys telling him "use this disqualifier, use this cocky funny response". I'm thinking why? What's the point in doing any of those? Do they help you get laid?

I was talking to another guy last night. He tells me that he enjoys offending girls. I ask why. He tells me that he was chatting to some older woman who was out with a load of young girls. A hot one saw them talking came over to talk to him, and he brushed her off. Then she looked at him while they were dancing, and he stuck his middle finger up at her. His words afterwards - "it works really well". I ask him if he fucked her? No he didn't.

There are guys talking about ways to show that they're "alpha males" while they're talking to women. Does being an "alpha male" actually mean anything? Does it help you get laid? I don't think so. Sure, being a little dominant can be good, but trying to prove you're an alpha male? It's try hard. Doesn't help you get laid.

What about number close techniques? Guys think it's a good idea to thrust their phones into a girl's hand to force her into giving them her number. Then they wonder why so many of them never text back? Oh you must have shit text game, let's go buy a text game manual for $99, that will sort it out. Erm, no... That would be a waste of time and money. A girl will give you her number easily and text back if she likes you. If not, you've got no chance.

Anyone else agree? I just find it quite annoying.

It all works to a degree but just remember half of the sht is marketing so you dont need to buy more programmes if you havent really used the first material youve got especially if the book says do 100 approaches and after 2 approaches the guy looks for all the material he can on his sticking point because its not working and life has been cruel.
So this learning can be a form of procastination if the person does not do the infeild hours as compared to the time spent studying pua material.

As for alpha male it dosent really work well if your acting like come to me come to me trying to get her to pick you up unless shes sold on you of the bat and is willing to escalate you.
As for sht tests its great to be comfortable or prepared for the occation when a girl does like you and is testing to see if youve got the emotional intellegence she wants and how much you have or she might be negging tests etc and if theyre not interested you have something to say instead of a stunned mullet look.
But as said if the first book said do 100 approaches afcs would learn most of this stuff on the fast track instead of 1 approach to 10hours study.

Yeah. Pretty much.

You can't really trick them into liking you no matter what techniques you have.
Some stuff DO help. For example, I was a completely awkward nerd. Stuff like how to do a direct or indirect opener, passing shit tests, etc are very enlightening, but once you get the basics that's it.

The non mental masturbation way to get laid:
1) Have the best looks you can. Go to the gym, take care of your skin, teeth, etc. Dress well.
2) Don't be a socially awkward guy.
3) Open, talk, connect, go out, have stuff happening in your life.

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"Their compliance is,
'Does she grab your hand?' F*ck you! I want to grab her mind. If I can
grab her mind, she'll be grabbing whatever I want, any way I want her to." - Ross Jeffries

It's not the lines that do the trick, but the way you're feeling and acting when you actually know something! Alot is marketing, but alot of writers do have useful things to say and aren't just doing it for the money.
Think about it, how many times were you without anything to say to a woman? Be it an opener or during mid-game. It gives a better feeling when being prepared for things to come. Things like these make conversations go easier for you and you won't get that awkward silence (even though it's not a bad thing for guys with actual game). You'll become more confident talking to women and become more confident in general.
Being an alpha male? Fact is, alpha males are attractive. 'Fake it till you make it' sounds right in this case. If you can give the impression or have the belief that you're social, fun, loving and just plain awesome will eventually make you like that, naturally.

Alot of pickup material has worked wonders for me and even though sometimes things sound weird you might not see the psychological effect behind it. I personally only bought some books to get me started, but got my information mainly for free. Free videos are all over the internet and you might as well check em out. You can decide for yourself what works and what doesn't and you won't need to spend a penny on it.

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