I've always seen DHV stories as a form of hoop jumping. Its a way of saying: "Hey.. you should like me because [insert reason]". The truth is.. if you are trying to convince a woman of something with your words.. you have already lost. Its better to show High Value with your attitude by not attemping to "prove it" to anyone. Think about it... Truely high value people have nothing to prove. There attitude tells everything. This is why I'll approach a girl and ask for her number after 2 minutes of converstation. I deserve it. I'm worthy. So why waste time? Also.. how many men have the balls to do that? I stand out right away from all the hoop jumpers. High value people don't jump through hoops!!

High Value is really based more on perception than reality. Realize that you instantely raise your status by asking for more from others and giving less of yourself. The higher your price the higher your value.

"As children, we start our lives with great enthusiasm, expecting and demanding everything from the world. But as we grow older the failures we experience set up boundaries that only get firmer with time. Coming to expect less from the world, we accept limitations that are really self-imposed. We start to bow and scrape and apologize for even the simplest of requests. --Robert Greene "The 48 Laws of Power".

There is a lot in the Pick-up community about DHV. One thing that is often overlooked is that women are not just attracted to established High Value.. they are also drawn to people who they believe are destine to be High Value. For example.. someone who is up and coming.

A good example is Christopher Colombus. He actually had very little knowledge and came from a low class background. Yet he was able to associate with royality and even get the queen to finance his explorations! How? Why? Because he projected a sense of confidence that was completely out of proportion to his means. He behaved like royality and therefore he was percieved like royality. People believed he was "destined for greatness" without having any evidence of it.

This is how you should act in Pick-up. Act as if you deserve a 10. Because you DO. You deserve whatever you believe you deserve.

This is the best way to raise your status and value.

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I didn't see this thread from yesterday! I guess I was beat to the punch *shrugs*.

Hopefully I still added to the discussion.

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No worries, I'm glad you posted it.

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^This is a poor story, filled with delusions of youth and disregard for education.

So why do you suppose a leader of ANYTHING says ANYTHING at all? Hey, the CEO has nothing to prove; just shut up, beat his chest and point his fingers right? Can he at least grunt a little?

WTF? If CEO's company's stock drops a few points, thousands of people can lose jobs . . . and of course he can lose his job. Great, the general of an army has nothing to prove so he's going to wake up late, jack off all day, and pound whiskey all night long. . . High valued people are HIGH VALUED because they prove it every day through their actions. . . (this includes many, many stories)
Lol . . . Are you asking yourself out? Get outta here . . . lol . . . Where do you kids get this shit?
Jumping through the hoops is EXACTLY what people of value do every day, proving to himself and others that he is worthy of that position. He OFFERS value to all those around him. On the other hand, showing up and thinking that he deserves more for less is what the bargain shopper at Walmart expects.
So you never took economics.

Value = perceived benefits received/perceived price paid. What you are suggesting is the exact opposite of economics law AND social norms. All things being the same, the higher the price, LOWER the value. People who work in corporations follow the leader because for the amount of work that they exert(price), their perceived benefits are greater in that company than elsewhere.
Yes, but you expect to be "up and coming" by doing less and asking for more? This is just truly bizarre. Please point me to the self help book that teaches this non-sense.
I'm so glad you believe this. Why don't you give me your address? I'm going to send over a few bums who've been hanging around the local library here. I'll just tell them to tell you, "We deserve to live with you. We believe we deserve to sleep in your bed while you cook up a pot pie and serve us beer. We are high value, so you know that means we're not telling you any stories and you're going to do more for us and we'll do jack shit for you." - Hey, who's got the balls to do this!?!? - Usually bums.

Kasabi... Please clarify for me. Are you a fan of DHV'ing through stories, or through body language? 2nd way works better than the first, b/c you have to have a lot of confidence to walk up to a random girl move things super fast. Eg, kiss her in the first minute. That kind of confidence is a big DHV imo.

First off . . .everything that comes out of your mouth is a story. You can be a good story teller or a bad one; up to you. You can either have stories to tell or you might not. Here's the common denominator of most guys in this forum who highly tout the 'physical' demonstrations of value and belittle the 'spoken language': 1. They have very little to say (A lot of BS also equals 'very little to say'). 2. Their poor writing skills are indicators of their poor verbal communication skills.

In reality, a good story teller doesn't just read a script nor does he perform a mime act. Good story telling IS a both a physical and verbal demonstration of his message. The separation of the two is probably a good sign that few people paid attention to junior high school English but more importantly, a sign that they've never had success with the 'verbal' game because they simply suck at it. And personal experience tells me that their overall success can't be to great either. Here's why:

Sure, you'll get a few wild girls who get off on sucking face with strangers but they will ALWAYS demand a story sooner or later. A girl with a head on her shoulders will demand YOUR STORY when she get the 'I could possibly suck face with this guy' feeling. In fact, it's when a girl goes, "So what do you do?", that you know you have her. . . And the loopy girls will demand YOUR STORY over breakfast. Either way, this is a part of the game. Accept it and improve or pretend it doesn't exist and ignore it. Up to you.

You can't just walk up in the Olympics and pick up a gold medal because you believe you deserve it and you see yourself as gold medal value. Athletes are high value people yet they still have to run a race competing with everyone else to prove that value before they may posses a gold medal.

If you didn't earn it by demonstrating your value then it probably wasn't very hard to earn.

I kind of agree with this post, I am not a massive fan of DHV stories. There is a subtle skill that you have to master in order to avoid coming across as boasting and self obsessed when executing a DHV story. I think if you show good social intuition, for example you make a set laugh then use frame control to dictate to energy level by saying something "like so how do you guys know each other". You are demonstrating Leadership value right there. I personally like to walk around the club with lipstick on my cheek and pretend I am totally unaware of it to demonstrate preselection. When I am talking to a girl and people barge past her i will act chivalrously and move her out the way while talking to her, here you are demonstrating that you a protector. Being able to emote (being able to just leave) can be demonstrated by rocking in and out of there personal space when telling being C&F. Being C&F also demonstrates you are a risk taker and you are not scared to possible offend. You do not need to tell lame stories, in the UK I know it comes across more as compensating for insecurities. Its better to let them observe the DHV through your actions. If I like a girl I will make sure she sees me in a situation where I am preselected and leading a set, it is undeniable that this is an important factor in night game.

I'm still not clear. I don't even know what "suck face" is. "Your Story - What do you do?" I'd just be honest about what I am doing. My occupation, studies, etc. I don't see where this "good story" thing comes in from this question. Do I have to DHV and talk about other hotties?

Yea true, all the stuff you described sounds like social proofing. Raising your value throughout the whole bar/club by DHV actions like you described.

A DHV story doesn't necessarily mean "Once upon a time, I ..." When mastered it will be subtle and feel and sound like normal conversation.

For example
HB "Do you play (Australian) Football??"
ME: "I use to but now i captain a soccer team"

To me that's a DHV story. Or the start of one.

I don't think the discussion is about whether DHV stories should be used or not, but how they should be presented and delivered.

I guess if you want a relationship (or more) out of a girl, then yeah. But there's plenty of guys here who are simply trying to get lays, and avoid relationships. I would expect there DHV to be based off of flirting. Gotta have some confidence to flirt right?

HB: "Do you play (Australian) Football??"
PUA: "Football, basketball... you name it. How about you? Do you like playing with balls?" *Looks at penis/Smirk on face*

If she doesn't smile, or say something like, "Omg you're such a pervert!" you're doing it wrong. And if she does say, "Omg, you're such a pervert!", you blame her for thinking dirty.

Oh and in plus, according to 60YOC, the sexual vibe has to be there FIRST to have a healthy relationship. Then all the other stuff should come in AFTER. So you can get into a relationship by doing this.

haha, yea not bad at all I can see how that would work. Still sounds like your are DHV though.

I think some posters took my original post way too literally. Its ridiculous to believe you can get things handed to you in life without doing any work at all. That is NOT what I am suggesting.

I'm basically saying that having the attitude and confidence of a winner will lead others to see you as a winner. This will open more doors for you. This doesn't mean you will always get what you want. It just means you will get more than you would with a weaker attitude.

Read my Christopher Columbus example. He DID work hard to get what he wanted.. BUT he raised his status with his attitude rather than trying to explain to people why he is worthy of something.

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@ Kasabi -- Pick-up is very different from being a CEO or a Gold Metalist. If your gold is to sleep with a woman.. her perception of you matters a lot more than reality. Once her opinion of you is formed.. it will take a long time to change it.. and by then she has already slept with you.

If you are looking for a long-term relationship you have to take a much different approach. But for the player lifestyle, I think my post makes a lot of sense.

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