Hey guys so i have been into pick up for about a month now and it has helped me out with women at college. I am in a bit of a dilemma, however.

There is this HB7 who i have known as an aquiantance, not as a friend, for a little over a year. This year i have started gaming her and it seemed to be working quite well. I took her to one of my fraternity's cocktails and at the end of the cocktail her friend told me that the girl wanted to make out with me. So i walk her back to her dorm and i am too pussy to make a move, but after i leave she calls my name and runs towards me and starts making out with me. Needless to say, i thought i was in.

Long story short, she is pledging a sorority so it took like a week or two to find time to talk to her (I know she wasn't blowing me off, one of my girl friends in the sorority verified how occupied they all had been). I feel i should also mention that one weekend before we talked she came to a party we had. She was pretty drunk but we ended up sitting down and talking and she told me that she isn't even thinking about dating anyone at the moment because she just got out of a bad relationship and she has a lot to do with pledging and everything. She said that if there was anyone she would be dating it would be me. Anyway, she ended up getting really sick and i took care of her for a while (it may have been AFC but what was i supossed to do?).

So anyway, she texts me the next day all apologetic and thanking me for taking care of her. She says we can talk after class on the following monday. So after class i suggest she come back to my room and she comes. We talked for about an hour, mostly about random stuff at first, until finally we talk about what happened. She again said that she is just not even thinking about guys and dating right now because of her last relationship and all that is going on. I told her that i am not going to wait around for her. I told her i wanted to know where i stand in all of this, and she tells me that she doesn't know. She said right now i just want to be good friends or some bullshit.

So she leaves, and for some reason, i guess i was caught up in the moment, i run to her dorm and tell her i want to kiss her. Her words are, "I really want to but I don't want to lead you on." Needless to say that pissed me off, so i left.

The thing is, things aren't awkward between us or anything, she still looks at me during class and when i catch her eye she smiles and says hi. I would like to be in a relationship with this girl but i refuse to play games or get put in the ljbf zone. My thought on the matter is that i should not do anything "friendly." No more walking back from class with her unless she goes out of her way to walk with me. Also, I think that i should keep trying to kiss her again. I feel like she is much more receptive and less fickle when she and I have been drinking a little, so if i can make out with her a couple more times when we are drinking then maybe that could help seal the deal. I am not going to do anything that would put me in the ljbf zone.

I thank whoever takes the time to read all of this; i needed to vent and just get this situation out there. If anyone has any advice on what they feel would be a good move i would really appreciate it.

You actually already HAVE done things to put you in the LJBF zone.

When she ran to you and started making out with you that night, did you fuck her? or not? That was an open invitation. You should have gone all the way.

Being with her while she's sick, if she WAS truly sick, I see no problem with that.

Then, she comes out and tells you she just wants to be good friends, so whether you wanted to be in the LJBF zone or not, bam, you're there.

THEN . . . you RUN to her dorm (baddddd) and tell her you want to kiss her (double baddd). You should have just pulled her to you and kissed her when she was in your room, instead of talking on and on forever. It doesn't sound like you've really even kinoed with this girl, and that's one BIG problem.

I'm not sure you can dig your way out of this LJBF zone you are already in, but if you can, you'll have to amp up the attraction in a major way and amp up the kino. That's the way out. Just be prepared that if it backfires, she won't want to be friends with you anymore either.

so from what i understand you are in the same class with her? next time sit with some chick regardless if your target can see you or not and try to meet some new girls even if you're not doing anything with them jsut friendly chat about class or something then your target will see that you are not waiting around for her and she will definately get jealous and make her move (if shes interested of course)
thats what i think anyone else feel free to comment if im right or not

Alright, I have a varied opinion on this topic. I've had many friend's in your situation and have been able to set the girl right into giving it a chance.

Before I tell you what to do I need to know if you want a relationship or a fuck-buddy. Because there are two different routes to take. The relationship will seem AFC but in reality you are in control and to me thats the difference between a PUA and an AFC, is that a PUA is always in control. If you want a fuck-buddy then its a simple freeze-out and the next time yall get hammered kino the shit outa her.

i would like a relationship

Alright cool. First of when she says she doesnt no where you stand thats not true. Subconsciosly she has made her decision as to what she thinks of you. You need to find out what she thinks of you. You can either ask one of her friends or your friends to find this out for you. Use them as the proxy to get the information. Then you have one of your very intellectual friends talk to her and break her down. The person needs to help her sort out the confusion she is going through. This is all assuming you know she likes you. When girls get out of a tough relationship their confusion warps their senses as to what they want. Someone has to talk to her and sort it out. If she likes you and "would" date you then she just needs to sort out her head. Until you get this done you need to be nice to her. Not a complete AFC but no extensive game either.

If it comes down to it. I'll pretend we have been penpals for awhile and talk to her for you. If you have anymore questions let me know.

i talked to one of my best girl friends today; she is also pledging the sorority that the girl i am into is pledging. They have become friends as well. Apparently this girl told my friend how she made out with me and how i went to her dorm and tried to kiss her. My friend's advice was this: you shouldn't have gone all the way to her dorm to leave empty handed. Basically she said i should have just grabbed her and kissed her-which of course is a lot easier said than done. She also told me that when pledging ends this sunday to call her up sometime next week to hang out. Her biggest piece of advice was to be assertive.

Taking that into account, i think i should just hang out with her next week, and confidently, with no hesitation or nervousness, pull her to me and kiss her. I appreciate your advice but since talking to my friend i feel like this is the best course of action. I will let you know how it goes!

A much easier, and in my personal opinion, more effective, way to do this would be to talk to her yourself, actually pay attention to her body language while you listen to what she says, and normally you can read a girl well enough to know if there's something underneath what she's saying or not. Then, you can cut through her shit with your own words, by calling her on her front. You can break her down and you'll then be on hand to escalate things there on the spot.

Shaken, girls love it when a girl takes the initiative. A girl can stand in front of you and look at you straight in your eye for minutes and be wishing the entire time that you just had the fucking balls to make the move and kiss her. All the while, in your own mind, you're wondering what you should do. All you have to do is kiss her. Girls WANT that.

Thats a good idea man. My point was to have you talk to a friend near you. The rest was assuming they couldn't help you on the spot. I like your idea of laying low and when you see her make your move.

Good Luck