So this is an old post of mine. I am ill and bored... so untill i get cured I would love to create a dicussion topic, in that case, why not just slip out a good post. This post is based on 60_Years_of_challenge's idea "Anti Manifesto". If you don't know what it is, search it up (chief posted a thread about the concept here on this forum). This post is just some random shit I have discussed with 60 on SPAM, and we both agreed on the theories. So i decided to write it down, enjoy:

1. Girls will rarely reject you for escalating too much. But often reject you for escalating the wrong way.

I will cover more on how to escalate the right way later on.

What makes a girl often reject you is not the escalation. But the situation you are escalating in. For instance she could have sexual hang ups, be on her periods, have a boyfriend....

There is nothing as escalating too much.
If a girl rejects you due to the escalation, it's a good thing. That means she doesn't want you. She will not waste your time.

Being rejected for escalating too much is good. This means you are screening her out, because in no way you could've laid her. With rejection I mean receiving a "go fuck yourself perve" which is very rare in my experience. A bit of resistance is not a rejection even if most guys think so. A no means not yet.

Resistance VS rejection

Resistance:
_ Tries to go away
_ Not (yet) directly receptive to your sexual vibe
_ No mutual feedback
_ Asking you to stop
_ Turns things from sexual to playful
_ Remove your hands away when you are trying to touch a sexual part of her body.

These are not rejections, but only resistance.

Rejection (never really happened to me, at least not the most extremes one):
_ Go fuck yourself.
_ Slap
_ Goes away (more common)

I usually eject most of the time, when getting resistance. I eject too often.

Rejections, before 2-5 minutes of the interaction has passed (or while opening Verbally/physically) is not counted as a rejection to sexual escalation, but a rejection to your approach. Girls will “reject” for you approaching. But who cares? You got rejected for not hooking the set (not your fault she never gave you time to get to know her, so it’s not a rejection to you), not for escalating. Cool thing is that going sexual hooks a lot.

Fact is, girls easely rejects you for your approach in order to validate their own ego. Women love rejecting guys and flake all the fucking time. Ego validation, pure attention whoring. It's a source of ego validation, so there is nothing wrong with you most of the time.

90% of the interactions in my life were I have been rejected quickly when turning sexual, is usually in the face were I am trying to hook her up. But I have never been getting rejected for escalating.

But I have been getting resistance.

As long as the girl stays, it's never a rejection. NEVER. It's a resistance, like a shittest. When you solve a shittest you amp up your frame. Your vibe, and your frame and your prescence becomes even stronger.

Same here. Every resistance is an opportunity to create a stronger tension.
If we follow 60's anti-manifesto concept, you avoid her objections and act like nothing, it never happened. In fact a women want's to get physical with you, but she can't. But you can, if you take the guilt, she will complie. ( also were the term persistence from GWM comes in)
She is more willing to complie to somoene who is comfortable with the tension. This will also make the tension more fluid if you are comfortable with it. If you eject, and take the resistance personally (or as a rejection), which most men do... then you are not comfortable with it.

Let's face it. Most men eject. They don't get rejected. They eject. They get resistance, and takes it as a rejection and eject. It's your fault, not her! In that case at least.

So every resistance is an opportunity to create a stronger sexual frame/tension.

When she resists, she is indirectly telling you: "is this all you have..."

If yes, you eject, if not, you stay and give her more.

Let's face it. You will get rejected for not escalating enough. You just won't take it as a rejection because it's not direct.

Personally seeing her losing interest is worse than a rejection. From not escalating you will lose interest. Ever slapped your face on your way home thinking “I should have escalated?”

Escalation will not give you rejections (at least it’s rare, when was the last time you got rejected for escalating too much VS how often you slap your head for not escalating enough)
Escalation gives resistance, but keep your frame with the concept of avoiding the resistance in order to not make it official.

Not escalating will make her lose interest.
_ The only thing which matter for her is what you can provide, by not escalating you don't show her you can provide sex anymore. If sex is what you want, then you won't get it. She won’t perceive you as a potential lover anymore.
_ She won't get horny. No laid for you.
_ You lose an opportunity to do what most guys does not do toward her.

You will get resistance. You better like it.

Here are your odds:
Escalating: Minimal chances for rejections. Big chances for resistance (not a problem anymore)
Huge opportunity to create a sexual attraction. Same goes for making her horny

Not escalating: 90% chances for her to lose interest. 100% chances that you will slap your head on the way home.

Do you want to escalate or not.

Your choice. I have done mine.
“I should have escalated…”

- TVA

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Great post,

I like it because this is knowledge this forum lacks.

Also it's congruent with my experience. I can vouch for it.


Although I think the resistance/rejection list can be dumbed down to:
resistance:
says no, but STICKS AROUND
rejection:
no, and leaves.


thoughts?

Agree. As long as she is standing in front of me, its still on.

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i like the post but im interested in hearing this portion. post soon plz

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Yep, in the past this happened to me so many times that my cheeks would be red by the time I reached home!

Basically you get to that point where you know she is into you and then you turn into a friggen mr. nice guy and just ask for her number. You are too chicken shit to escalate because you dont want to give her the wrong idea and you don't want to lose her. If only you would have escalated you could have got a K-Close or a F-Close.

I know for a fact that I have missed out on many F-Closes back in my mr nice guy days by not escalating.

You and me both

Great post, gives a clearer insight into the resistance theory, I like it

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Not a fan of this.

You have a good point with the fact that most men reject early after freaking out from resistance. Often the adrenaline most guys feel when approaching gets to them and they make some paranoid or ill advised conclusions.

And it is true, some women do reject for a rush of empowerment. It's a result of second wave feminism certain themes get through now and again, making women quicker to percieve "rejection" as a form of empowerment. Most male gender indentity however doesn't have the history that its female counterpart has so "acceptance" is often a form of sexual empowerment amognst males.

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But it is way too much a pendulum swing to say she has to run away or be incredibly rude to get you to back off.

There is a big difference between plowing through resistance and plain out not respecting a persons right to say no.

"It wasn't stealing because he didn't run away or complain, he just handed over the cash when he saw how big I was"
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Would you accept that above testimony?

You're doing the exact same thing; "You haven't tried to flee or punch me, therefore it's totaly appropriate for me to continue doing what I like."

The difference is, if someone is robbing you and you walk away, your likely to get hurt,

But, if a woman is talking to a guy and she doesn't like what he is doing, she can walk away.

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Edit into the testimony of "if he was to walk away or say something force-ful I would have stopped" and the problem still persists.

It use to be "make the Hoe say no" now it's "Make the hoe say no..then ignore it and continue being a cunt Cause you're a P U A! AND YOU ROCK!"

Why should she be forced to make a spectacle of herself to her friends and to the people around her or storm off if she wants you to just admitt to yourself that this time, it's not happening.

You're comparing a mugging/robbery to a social interaction. Apples and oranges.

"storm off"

How many women have you had storm off? I've had very few. If They dont like what im doing they just say (usually) "yeah im going back to my friends. Bye" Then a simple back turn and shes off.

Used to happen a lot when I went all out crazy with escalation.

As for "make the ho say no"

Man, I get some variation of "no, im not that kinda girl" quite a bit sometimes. Its just the girl trying to make me think shes not a slut, not realizing fully yet that unlike most guys, I dont judge. Thats why women sometimes do that...

She wants it, the no is really a "I want your cock but dont want to seem easy"

On the other hand, her walking away is a no.

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"Escalation is attractive" -60

1. Why not compare these two situations? Both have a negative outcome which can only be avoided by leaving or showing blatant aggression.

Knowing the difference between "I'm not interested" - resistance and "I'm not interested" rejection is a virtue and something people should look to learn.

But this is not the same as being deliberatly pig-headed.

2.This is a girl seperate to her friends, where this is a very easy option for her to have, not so much if she is with friends or sitting at a table.

3. Now I'm not talking about the specefics phrase you uttered, but this is EXACTLY what I am referring to in point one.

It's the difference between between a local chess champ being a confident player, and local chess champ acting like he's a world grand-master.

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All of this is without even going into boundries like non-violent rape, but I think whlile it's a worthy point, there are more obvious pockets of stupidity in the mindset above, without taking into account more dangerous consequences.

Serious question. Have you ever made a conscious effort to only count her walking away/handslap/"go fuck yourself" as a rejection?

Im curious as to at which point you usually eject.

If you haven't made an effort to plow that far then it would be like me arguing that Dodge trucks are horrible even though I've never even owned one.

I guess the old "dont knock it until you try it" phrase comes to mind.

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Been there done that, bought the T-shirt, and found a better middle ground. So now that we've abandoned logic and found I have as equal grounding in this as you, i.e. "don't knock it till you've tried it"* has failed, what next?

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*This tactic is also a favourite of chi- practitioners, cult recruiters, wiccan witches, faith healers and psychics who talk to the dead.

Can you spot any re-curring theme amongst the groups who use this line of reasoning?