Hey guys,
I guess as a "Holiday Gift" to the community, I'd like to provide this response to a community member whose faith was strained, and my response, showing that being forthright in your studies, dedication to continual advancement, and honesty to yourself is all it takes to come out of the slump that we all hit from time to time.
Call me crazy, but I'd imagine this slump might also occur during the hoilday season, along with everyone else's depression, lol.
Okay, so I'm going to post this one guy's concern, basically outlining a montage that he saw from going out one night where rich, celebrity, GQ models were stepping out of limousines and flashing cash all around, buying up shots, bottles, and tables in clubs, and how they only had girls respond to them because they already arrived with hot girls, and then my response.
FROM: IdentityCrisis, of PUAHate.com
Hello losers
I was browsing this old thread here at PUAHATE about an AFC ADAM Bootcamp being a fraud, scam artist whatever
http://www.puahate.com/showthread.php?t=4803
What interests me is the core message that Reality of the Night dude was on about and that was basically don't out out by yourself.
I went out the other Night and after a Cinema trip and headed out to the Nightclubs early- around 9.00pm when the crowds where getting out of taxis, buses and cars.
And guess who had a ton of blonde, short skirted, young pussy on their arms? Groups of dudes who already had hot girls on their arms.
It was obvious too from their no expenses spared Night out, their clothing and their friends these were good looking guys no homo- good natural body shape proportion, goods looking faces, good hair, nice ass, decent height. They had Money as they splashed out on a bar tab, had decent clothes, mobile phones, shoes- could afford club entry, cinema tickets, Pizza Hut.
All the guys had these amazingly hot girls they turned up with grabbing their asses, stroking their dicks, kissing the back of their necks.
Fuck turning up and standing around by yourself, dressed in shitty fashion knock offs, drinking tap water, most "Pick Up Artists" wouldn't come between these girls even before they opened their fucking mouths.
I also agree with Reality seeing his other posts. Its about looks, social popularity before you had out, having a decent career under your belt, having years of relationship experience before you even hit 18 years old and heading out and partying with a group of hot girls and popular, good looking guys.
Groups of old, ugly or nerdy Men didn't get a look in at all.
And yes- i agree- cold approaching women doesn't work
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From PoodogR of Pick-up-artist-forum.com & PUAHate.com:
This post truly saddens me,
I read your referenced posts, and I understand, "hot" guys who step out of a limo with 8 girls rated "10" on their arms who get nodded in by the bouncers at exclusive clubs, (ropes unhooked and all, with 100+ people in line) who approach a bar to pull out a roll of $100 bills for shots, bottles of champaigne for the night, and table / bottle service all night, certainly have those advantages going for them.
PUA materials that deny this are a crock.
I can attest from personal experience. I am not a good looking guy. My name was shouted from the rooftops at my high school and college as one of the "undesirables" as a loser to be avoided at all costs, and for girls to always avoid.
But guess what? I got out of college, springboarded ahead in my career, finshed my MBA (actually, success came before that!) and now have a pretty cool job, and found that those stupid little nuances should be treated as petty as they were.
Now I'm in my late 20's, again, not a great looking guy, but you bet your ass I've had some success. I've been out with friends some nights, even if it's just a couple guys, (or hell, even with one AVERAGE looking girl tagging along) I've had success.
If you're sitting in some casual half-restaurant / half-bar type place and notice a girl standing a little bit back from her friends and looking around, as if bored, just fucking wave to her and say "Hi." I did, and that just compounded upon the success I was seeing to show me that your imperfections and "non GQ status" are SO all in your head and more bullshit than you could imagine.
So I waved her over, she came over, I acted like myself, and we got to talking. That was all there was to it.
So I had success with a pretty hot girl who was there with her HOT, RICH friends that night. Hell, we rode over to her friend's place in her friend's BMW 760. These girls were all model-level. We even made out in the bar before we left.
This girl was a solid 8.5, and again, although my parents may disagree, I would probably say, as substantiated by my experience and opinions expressed to me by many people in the general public, that I was "below her league". Money-wise, and looks-wise.
I am ugly. I am not a great looking guy by any standards, although I am not fat. That actually may be a determining factor in some cases. But judging from the ripped, 7% body fat competition I was dealing with those nights, I strongly doubt that was an issue.
Yet I did anything and everything I wanted to do to that girl that night. We both had a great time actually.
I've had similar nights that really fuck with my reality like this.
Because the world, as I saw it, was as you described in your linked post: a montage of hot, 7 ft . tall GQ models all stepping out of limousines, and the reason girls even talk to them is because they already have hot girls on their arms, and are readily flashing $100 bills around.
Believe me, I've seen it, and it's frustrating.
There's no denying, WHATSOEVER, that those guys are getting the benefit from those extras. Anyone who tells you otherwise, and insists that these guys just had "superior game" is lying his ass off.
At most, you can use all of this feedback and call the people who claim it makes no difference "liars", because they are.
But on the flip side, take a look at what you might be able to do. Again, I am a very UGLY guy. I don't look good at all, and I've landed in the friend zone with more girls than I can count, and told later by other girls familiar with the situation, "you just weren't hot enough"
Girls have told me I'm "not their type" and I later found out it was strictly a matter of hotness.
Yet how do you explain how I've taken these hot girls home, and even dated some for upwards of a year of so, if I'm so repulsive that I can't even be viewed as "dateable material" by girls?
I would invite you to take a look at one post of mine, which I like to point to as empirical evidence that game works.
That link can be found here:
...t-vt80251.html
Again, forget those model fuckers dude.
If you're not elephant man, or 300 pounds, you can get by on your looks. I've seen it first-hand dude.
It's true, a lot of "game" is bullshit. And the guys who say money has no impact, and looks have no imact are even more full of shit.
But either way, this isn't the kind of thing to give up on dude. This is your LIFE we're talking about.
No I'm not selling you anything.
Step out there and take what's rightfully yours. It's either that or buy into the pop culture image that you have to look like a soft drink spokesmodel to get the time of day from girls.
The choice is yours.
I've examined both options, and made mine. Now the rest is up to you.
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