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If there is one thing that successful people have in common, it's passion. Whether with women, business, money, or happiness, no matter how you measure their success, these people are all extremely passionate about something.

Are you passionate about something? Do you have something you can spend hours doing without getting bored, lose sleep over without getting tired, get better at, excel, and see results? If you don't, you should find one.

Women come secondary. If women are your primary concern, you probably won't get many. If you are going day in and day out thinking about how you can get with women instead of being productive and developing a passion, you have no value.

Find your passion, and live it.

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so true Sharplin.

I remember going through a phase where it was always Game(Pick up).

Not solely learning PU but trying to lay 20 girls every night.

Then I'd end up laying none.

My passion was pick-up at that time and I rarely got laid.

As I started to relax,pay attention to my primary child-hood passions(poetry & fitness),I then started to become more attractive to women and the lays & # closes were racking up.

Being that noticeble- active sarger didnt get me laid.

And many newbies fall into this cycle of only PU.

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defo guys. you have to be a well rounded individual. or be good at blagging it.

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Fake it til you make it. if you can act you can do it this way. im a salesman so i know a thing or two about blagging! lol. you can blag your way into jobs, social situations and womens knickers!

although i find if you genuinely have your life in order, have clear goals and aims and actively seek them out in all areas of your life, you will be healthier, wealthier and wiser and the women will be easier for you to get anyway. for some people this is because they just have more confidence from there success that puts them in an attractive, powerfull and successful mindset. but also the status that comes with success is also a big crowd pleaser! would reccomend to anyone to read NLP for dummies to use in ALL areas of your life, not just game. change your limiting beliefs and become an 'I CAN' person. review your map of the world and improve yourself and life becomes easier altogether. i was sceptical myself but results dont lie!

me? im looking for success across the bored! i have the friends- loads and loads, i got a good job which i wanna progress in, leavin my ltgf (of 3 and half years)very soon to flatshare with a pal. met another hb at work that i like so have been gaming her, shes ditched her bf after we flirted for a week and i number closed her today so will see how that works out.

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@Fifeguy86-Salesman(lol)?

So I know you can definitely blag it(lol).

Sory for changing subjects,but congrats Fifeguy86 on #-closing the girl at work;if it's the same one you'd written a post on about a girl at work.

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yeah man. have sold cars, double glazin, other home imrpovements and now work for a huge media firm.

it is indeed the same girl. i had just pm'd u bout her actually! (that posts still running if you want a blow by blow account of how its developed). just got of the phone to her the nowactually was all very good and very positive.

she aint mine yet but i have come a long, long way in a week. reckon im not far from the finishing line now!

hope all is well with you my friend

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Sharplin,

This "Find your passion" message makes plenty of sense. However, I fear that you're just looking for another way out. Even if your passion was gardening, you'd have to study and practice WITH A SCHEDULE if you wanted to be any good at it. You'd Water at certain times, seed certain times of the year . . . you might take soil samples for minerals, tie vines up when they reach a certain height, etc . . .

Regardless of which passions you choose, if you don't take the steps to organize and figure out a 'flow chart' for success, you will NEVER achieve the level of return you seek for that passion. Go ahead and write down all the excuses out there. "I don't care to be #1. I don't need to be the best. I don't need other people's approval. I'm just looking for my own passion. . ." - Fine . . . but after "working" on this passion for a year and remaining stagnant, will YOU be happy with it? Can you even call it a passion at that point?

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If there is one thing that successful people have in common, it's passion. Whether with women, business, money, or happiness, no matter how you measure their success, these people are all extremely passionate about something.
Hey, you're a writer and you probably read your own writing often. Your FIRST passion topic = WOMEN. Do you think this is a fluke?
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Women come secondary. If women are your primary concern, you probably won't get many. If you are going day in and day out thinking about how you can get with women instead of being productive and developing a passion, you have no value.
Now you write "Women come secondary". Why do you REALLY think you did this?

The truth is that people can and do succeed with WHATEVER they choose as their primary passion as long as they EXERCISE that passion. PLENTY guys choose women as their 'primary goal' and do very, very, very well with it. The problem you face isn't that you're 'too passionate' about women. (This is an absolute cop out) The problem is that you're not passionate enough to actually EXERCISE you passion.

I recall you started up a witty thread on free-thinking-writing-conversing a while back. (By the way, that thread is the reason I know you can do this. You have the ability to do this . . . only . . . you haven't even tried.)

How many people jumped in that thread with "Ohh, this is great! I love it! This makes total sense! Oh I do this all the time, durh, hur, hur . . "? - How many people actually tried it? At least give this a shot before exercising your love for gardening . . . and if you move on to gardening, consider giving that an earnest effort prior to moving on to something else.


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Sharplin,

This "Find your passion" message makes plenty of sense. However, I fear that you're just looking for another way out. Even if your passion was gardening, you'd have to study and practice WITH A SCHEDULE if you wanted to be any good at it. You'd Water at certain times, seed certain times of the year . . . you might take soil samples for minerals, tie vines up when they reach a certain height, etc . . .

Regardless of which passions you choose, if you don't take the steps to organize and figure out a 'flow chart' for success, you will NEVER achieve the level of return you seek for that passion. Go ahead and write down all the excuses out there. "I don't care to be #1. I don't need to be the best. I don't need other people's approval. I'm just looking for my own passion. . ." - Fine . . . but after "working" on this passion for a year and remaining stagnant, will YOU be happy with it? Can you even call it a passion at that point?

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If there is one thing that successful people have in common, it's passion. Whether with women, business, money, or happiness, no matter how you measure their success, these people are all extremely passionate about something.
Hey, you're a writer and you probably read your own writing often. Your FIRST passion topic = WOMEN. Do you think this is a fluke?
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Women come secondary. If women are your primary concern, you probably won't get many. If you are going day in and day out thinking about how you can get with women instead of being productive and developing a passion, you have no value.
Now you write "Women come secondary". Why do you REALLY think you did this?

The truth is that people can and do succeed with WHATEVER they choose as their primary passion as long as they EXERCISE that passion. PLENTY guys choose women as their 'primary goal' and do very, very, very well with it. The problem you face isn't that you're 'too passionate' about women. (This is an absolute cop out) The problem is that you're not passionate enough to actually EXERCISE you passion.

I recall you started up a witty thread on free-thinking-writing-conversing a while back. (By the way, that thread is the reason I know you can do this. You have the ability to do this . . . only . . . you haven't even tried.)

How many people jumped in that thread with "Ohh, this is great! I love it! This makes total sense! Oh I do this all the time, durh, hur, hur . . "? - How many people actually tried it? At least give this a shot before exercising your love for gardening . . . and if you move on to gardening, consider giving that an earnest effort prior to moving on to something else.
This makes perfect sense. What I was getting at, really, was that I've seen so many more men succeed with women who don't even seem to be trying. They focus on a passion of theirs - school, work, a hobby, a skill - and then the women seem to come to them. I am the only one I personally know who is into pick up, and the men I know who are successful with women don't seem to really be trying that hard to get women. I wasn't trying to cop out by saying I'm 'trying too hard', but yes, I see you're point and where you got that from.

You bring up a valuable point that I overlooked though, and that is exercising one's passion. A pick up artist's primary passion is usually women, and they usually become very successful with women because they practice. That's what I need to start doing.

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I don't think the find your passion argument makes any sense -- one of the few times I disagree with Kasabi, lol. I think people are agreeing with you in part because it's something we are supposed to say "Yea man, totally!"

Here is an excerpt of what I believe is real. Below will be links detailing this in much more depth:
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The Surprising Science of Human Motivation

As Dan Pink recounts in the introduction to Drive, his new book about workplace motivation, our understanding of what compels people to action was upended in the late 1940s. Before this point, conventional wisdom said that we’re motivated by rewards (think B.F. Skinner and his rats). The more we are rewarded, the more fired up we get about our work.

Then Harry Harlow, a professor at the University of Wisconsin, began giving puzzles to the rhesus monkeys in his primate laboratory. He noticed a curious effect: when he rewarded the monkeys for solving the puzzle, they became slower at the task.

Twenty years later, Edward Deci, then a graduate student at Carnegie Mellon, tested this effect in humans, and found a similar result: the presence of cash made them worse at solving creative puzzles.

This kicked off three decades of intense research into the sources of human motivation.

Eventually, Deci, working with his longtime collaborator Richard Ryan, corralled the diversity of (sometimes contradictory) research on the topic into a single, over-arching model called Self-Determination Theory (SDT). This model has been extensively validated and summarizes, to the best of our current understanding, what can make someone love what they do. (See this 2000 paper by Ryan and Deci, from the journal Psychological Inquiry, for a good overview).

At a high level, SDT makes a simple claim:

To be happy, your work must fulfill three universal psychological needs: autonomy, competence, and relatedness.

In more detail…

Autonomy refers to control over how you fill your time. As Deci puts it, if you have a high degree of autonomy, then “you endorse [your] actions at the highest level of reflection.”

Competence refers to mastering unambiguously useful things. As the psychologist Robert White opines, in the wonderfully formal speak of the 1950s academic, humans have a “propensity to have an effect on the environment as well as to attain valued outcomes within it.”

Relatedness refers to a feeling of connection to others. As Deci pithily summarizes: “to love and care, and to be loved and cared for.”

SDT explains why Laura’s career resonates with us. She clearly has autonomy (she handpicks projects and runs them on her own schedule) and competence (she’s highly regarded and compensated for her expert ability). She also has relatedness, both from her close-knit teams and her ability to build a schedule that dedicates extended amounts of time to friends and family.
http://calnewport.com/blog/2010/01/23/b ... at-you-do/
http://calnewport.com/blog/2010/10/16/t ... miserable/
http://calnewport.com/blog/2010/01/06/t ... able-life/
http://calnewport.com/blog/2010/01/23/b ... at-you-do/
http://calnewport.com/blog/2010/02/08/o ... ase-study/

This find your passion junk is a cop out, ineffective, and stupid. It's something I really dislike and I think its prevalence is probably due to self help. Of course, I don't know that but I just think all stupid things come from self help.
I really disagree with the idea that people might feel obligated to agree with something. If you disagree with something, state it. That's one of the reasons I respect people who can go against what everyone else is saying because it makes sense to them.

I am basing this whole 'find your passion' thread on observation. It seems to me, based on what I've seen, that successful people are passionate about something. If you don't like the word 'passionate', use something else that is synonymous. I'm not trying to suggest that someone say, "Oh, I'm only not successful with women because I'm not passionate about anything, that's all I need to do," or anything like that. I'm not suggesting a 'cop out'.

Maybe this passion argument is redundant. I wouldn't know, as I am not really passionate about anything, so I can't speak from experience.

As for the self-determination theory, I have seen Dan Pink's TED talk on "the surprising science of motivation", and it's very interesting. It doesn't really refute the idea of passion for your work, though, or at least I can't see it.

And yes, it does seem to originate from a lot of self-help crap. There's a thousand books in the self-help section of Chapters titled "Find your passion". But I'm not trying to endorse that. It's really just an observation I made.

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I don't think the find your passion argument makes any sense
Hobbit,

I enjoyed these articles but don't understand your point.

Is it:??
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If there is one thing that successful people have in common, it's NOT passion. Whether with women, business, money, or happiness, no matter how you measure their success, these people are all extremely NOT passionate about something.
I'm certain that you you're not implying we should all pursue whatever it is that gives us, 1. autonomy, 2. competence. 3. Relatedness. . . or are you? Don't get it. And I'm sure you feel that "passion" serves a purpose in our lives. How?

In regards to the research:

I love the way researchers love to shine a spotlight by highlighting the contrasts of their findings from previous understanding but all these guys did was strengthen Skinner's research. It seems that it's STILL ALL ABOUT:
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The more we are rewarded, the more fired up we get about our work.
What the "new" research shows is that QUALITY of reward is as important as quantity and scheduling of reward. And actually, I've seen similar studies before as there's a lot of research that pertain to 'motivation' in the archived files of "Cheap Ass Boss Men". Ever since the industrial revolution, the top 2 goals for "Cheap Ass Boss Men" the World over is HOW TO:

1. Make these schmucks work more and work more effectively.
2. Pay these schmucks as less as possible.

You wouldn't believe the crap that they tried to figure this stuff out. More food, less food, water, juice, torture, scents, lighting, chemical stimulants, blackmail, etc . . . Fun stuff . . . but in general, the most effective methods seem to lead back to Maslow's psychological needs. Sure, people are motivated by 'autonomy' but take away his apartment and food for his family and the 'manager' will shovel shit all day long . . .

Back to Sharplin:

The idea isn't that 'passion alone' will create motivation/achievement. The ideal is to take what you believe are your 'passions' and create a method of exercising your passion so that you gain 1. autonomy. 2. competence . 3. relatedness. FOR YOUR passion. (Yeah, I just took these 3 things from the research Hobbit pasted but it makes sense right?)


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Blah, I've read so much of his stuff I skimmed an article and thought it was the right one but it wasn't. I can understand the confusion.

Here is the correct quote:
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What is Passion

Common to most peoples’ thoughts about passion are the following three foundational beliefs:
  • 1) To feel passionate about something is to be engaged and fulfilled by working on it, and to feel a desire to return to it whenever possible.

    2) In the course of your regular life you will develop passions for various pursuits.

    3) You will live a much happier life if you can align your studies as a student or career as a graduate with one of your passions.
Here’s the hypothesis I’ve been developing recently: (1) and (3) are true, but (2) is false. And it’s this common misperception that allows “passion” to wreak so much havoc.

Redefining Passion

Based on my own anecdotal experiences working with students and young graduates, I would offer the following alternative definition of passion and where it comes from:

Passion: The feeling that arises from have mastered a skill that earns you recognition and rewards.

Belief (2) from above posits that passions exist a priori of any serious engagement with a pursuit; they’re some mysterious Platonic form waiting for you to discover. This is a dangerous fiction.

My alternative definition claims instead that passion is the feeling generated by mastery. It doesn’t exist outside of serious hard work.

When Scott’s readers say “I have too many passions,” what they really mean is “I have lots of superficial interests.” When my readers complain that their major is not their passion, what they really mean to say is “I don’t have a level of mastery in this field that is earning me recognition.”

I submit that this concept is liberating. It frees you from obsession over whether you are doing the “right” thing with your life. A mastery-centric view of passion says that aligning your life with passions is a good thing, but almost any superficial interest can be transformed into a passion with hard work, so there’s no reason to sweat choices such as an academic major or you first post-college career.

Your real focus should be on the long road of becoming so good they can’t ignore you.

http://calnewport.com/blog/2009/11/24/a ... nstructed/
I don't believe in this whole "find passions" thing. I believe that they are results of work. For example, Sharplin:
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I wouldn't know, as I am not really passionate about anything, so I can't speak from experience.
Isn't this what you're trying to get through his head? He isn't passionate because he hasn't DONE anything. Passion doesn't just magically appear. It takes hard work -- they are "painstakingly constructed."

I used to buy the whole "find your passion" mumbo jumbo. Then when I actually started working towards things, I suddenly realized "Hey! I am enjoying this now. . . " I tend to get compliments from people because they think I'm so passionate about so many things. Perhaps someone like Sharplin would go "Oh, he found his passions." But no, I was Sharplin years ago. Then I actually started working really hard for my passions.

I don't discredit passion. I discredit this notion that it exists and you just have to discover it.

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As far as those three criteria, they are the most predictive for someone to be happy in their job. They aren't necessarily central to passion, but are related to it and its uses in work.

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And yes, I used to love Cal Newport's stuff. He is very explicit when dealing with anecdotal and tries fairly hard to use research where applicable. I stopped reading it because he seemed to be going to far into self-help for me, but I'll have to re-check one day and see if he returned back to his old self.
I've never thought of it that way before. The problem lies in directionality of the causal relationship between mastery and passion - does passion lead to mastery, or does mastery lead to passion?

You could argue either way, really. But I think after reading your link that I am leaning toward the latter - that passion arises from mastering something, and mastering something arises from hard work.

There's something I want to point out, though. There must be something that drives you to spend the time doing the hard work that earns you the mastery, apparently before the passion is even there. You must spend lots of time working and practicing to get good at something before you even gain any recognition. It would seem that belief (1) is present before you gain any recognition or mastery - it's what keeps you going back to your work.

Now I understand why you suggest that my OP is a scapegoat. It's because I am suggesting that you can simply 'find' your passion, without any hard work, and that it's something that just 'exists' regardless of whether you've 'found it' or not. This isn't what I was trying to imply.

I guess what I should be suggesting is finding something that fulfills belief (1) and (3) and leads to mastery and recognition with hard work and time investment.

Thanks for the response, though, it really changed my perspective.

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^This sounds about right.

Although I'd say that sometimes, passions find us. I began playing piano at age 6 while watching/listening my kindergarten play the piano. I'd watch her fingers and mimic her fingering on my lap.


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I like Hobbit's definition of passion.

I know this is anecdotal but i find you get 'passiionate' about something when you realise you have to do it in order to get better at something else. When i first started out filmmaking i just wanted to film stuff and thats that. Then i realised i had to write scripts, so decided "okay i HAVE to get good at this, so therefore my filming will be better" then i realised "okay, i have no idea how to edit and although this person is amazing at it, if i cant edit then im powerless in how my final product will look". Now im trying to buy a computer (i got a laptop and editing on a laptop will blow it up literally haha) so i can edit myself.

maybe im answering a different question though, my teacher says i do a lot...

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