Some PUAs will tell you that you need to do a cold approach and CREATE attraction from 0 in the woman by DHVing, false disqualifying, etc.

Other PUAs will tell you that this is futile, and the woman is already attracted to you or not. All you can do is either wait for or force an IOI, and then go in assuming attraction and sexually escalate.

This is a fundamental difference that requires two very different strategies in terms of how to open, what stages to go through, and how and when you telegraph sexual interest through body language, kino, etc.

Which one is it?

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Which PUA's tell you that a woman either wants you or not. And there is nothing to be done about it?

What your poll should have said was
value based game
sexual tension based game
other

value based game is game assuming there is values between people and believes value=attraction. theoretically in a closed social group a man could just game all the guys and become alpha and never need to talk to the girls and they will come to him

sexual tension based game does not take into account values bc they do not matter, just acknowledges the fact that all men and women want to fuck each other. sexual tension=attraction. theoretically never needs to even acknowledge the guys around the women, can achieve alpha by making all the girls love him and the guys hence then treat him alpha.

I look at it this way because my best friend is a natural value based guy, while I am a sexual tension based guy. Our opinions on how to do things are opposite of each other, he may telegraph to the girls disinterest while I will create tension. our eye contact theories are the north and south pole

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And who does better?

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I have been reading this post for days.

So i thought i would have a go at it.
Medway style!

And that is.

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Other PUAs will tell you that this is futile, and the woman is already attracted to you or not. All you can do is either wait for or force an IOI, and then go in assuming attraction and sexually escalate.

This is correct.

But what if you are a guy that women naturally fancy most of the time as appossed to the guy who never gets smiled at.

To even begin to anwser this in the right sequence depends on so many varibles.

You see.

There are guys like me who get the FUCK ME EYES.

And guys who don't.

Blonde guy.

I assume exactly that, she likes me, she likes my friend , she is not my type.
If you based your whole game on women THAT YOU KNOW FANCY YOU you then miss out on other random and interesting nights.

I suppose what i am trying to say that what ever method you believe is best for you, DON'T give up on others.

You never know.


Even women who i would'nt normally go for.
I LIKE CONVERSATION FROM PEOPLE WHO KNOW THINGS THAT I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.


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Some PUAs will tell you that you need to do a cold approach and CREATE attraction from 0 in the woman by DHVing, false disqualifying, etc.

This works.

Basically if a women you have never seen before sits down next to you in a coffee bar.
She might instantly on face.physique fancy you.
But you blow it with bad conversation or interupts.
Same scenario.
She might not fancy you when she sets eyes on you but.
Bingo.
Good game and you have her number.
She thinks about you for 2 days.
You end up having a nice relationship or sex from nowhere.

So is one better than the other.
Which came first, chicken or egg.

Most experianced pick up artist now work ASSUMING that the female LIKES them.
The best still like the challenge of the difficult pick up.

Hb 10's.
Hired guns with attitude.
Gold diggers.
celebs.

Mind you, i don't see many of the above where i am from.
lol
Just Chatham birds with major league attitude.

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Its all to easy.

I want to be a tree!

And there are other PUAs who say attraction is just a process in the mind that can be recreated at will if you get her to imagine the right stuff.

Do tell...

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yeah go on mate . it sounds like youre talking about NLP and entering her frame with similair energy ?

i might be way off but thats what i think youre talking about.

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In my opinion: guy creating attraction>asuming attraction
We all know that building attraction is possible, that's a fact. And honoustly all we're doing here is comparing guys that asume attraction and guys that create it. In other words the guy that asume, can't build after first contact attraction.
You always need to build/create attraction and if it's before or after the first contact, that's a different kind of thing. Some girls might fall for your appearance and that's an easy pickup where other girls will fall for your game.
The guys that asume attraction just skim through the options, taking the easiest one so they can skip the attraction phase for quicker results. Where other guys just pick the cutest one and build attraction if she didn't fall for his appearance already.

So what I'm trying to say here is; this is the same kind of pickup, but where guys can either skip the attraction phase or they can't. And if a guy decides to not increase his skill of creating attraction...well to bad, that's his problem.


On the other hand I think you're comparing 60's stuff to MM and in that case it's a different story. 60 explains attraction naturally excists and it either works or it doesn't, however the attraction excists with every girl so you have a shot with every woman in the first place. And he explains what not to do, thus increasing your chances. In some what you can see that as building attraction so yet again, it's the same thing.

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Optimistic?

I cant say who does better, that is ones opinion.

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