What am i getting at.
It seems to me that after a spell in south america i have come back to the u.k. and this site to find that things seemed to have moved on to a point now where everybody wants to be the fucking man.

Everyone is a player, pua or just plain over the top and daft.

This is not good.

We need nice guys in this world. Period....

I will explain my case.

Upon visiting my local uber trendy watering hole that seems to be filled with over dressed pimped out twats dripping in chick bate and over the top trendy shit, i noticed that not a single AFC type guy was in the place.

But wait, were they all now Reformed afc type guys?

All the local female hotties were gone and those that were left were still single.
The SPAM was all wrong.
I am still trying to work out what has happened to the place.
Anyway i do rabbit on.

My point.

Years ago my best friends dad was a car dealer.
A good one.
A first class salesman.
He liked his job and did not abuse his position. (within reason)

He told me years ago.

You see that old fella over there.
Nice and kind, sensible, pays his bills on time. Content with life etc.

I need men like him to make a living.

Otherwise every other sod will be down the auctions like me buying bangers that should be scrapped and selling them on to mr nice guy.
AND WHEN HIS CAR TURNS OUT TO BE SHITE. Bingo, he won't come back. why.
Because he has been conned, he won't use people like me anymore.

That was 20 years ago.

He got out of that business years ago because all the nice guys vanished.

Example.

Genuine kind people seem to be going the way of the wooly mammoth.
Desperate to be a pua instead of a more interesting and cultured person.

Pua twats everywhere.
Constantly going round giving everyone a high five or mimicking their every move.
Overly loud prat in the hat types.

Maybe mr nice guy needs other role models other than serial slag shaggers.
Or is that the point of PUA .

Having read Ezo's post on giving advice it just got me thinking about a few things.

Less is definately MORE.

The end.

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Its getting Hot out there.

Its all to easy.

I want to be a tree!

These things have a way of working themselves out.

Remember the law of supply and demand!!! As something becomes more common.. its value drops. Right? Right....

So figure.. what made the bad boys and PUA's so attractive to women in the first place? Sure their masculinity is part of it.. but also the value (DHV) that comes from being RARE. Everyone wants something "special" especially women.

So the more PUA's, players, and posers become the norm.. the more women will shy away from them. Because they've been there and done that. The nice guy will NEVER be the guy who is swimming in women... but I assure you that women will shift their gaze away from the players and onto the next "rare" type of man thats hard to find.

This is just how it has always worked. There was a time when the macho man was the norm. What happened? Women got bored with it and started dating men with long hair and eyeliner.

Like I said before... these things have a way of working themselves out.

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Women are smarter than you think... but not as smart as THEY think

Maybe things work out, maybe they don't. Considering this exact situation hasn't arisen before, how can you tell.

Love the post, though. It speaks levels about humans.

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Don't hate, just dominate.

It's kind of sad how this has all turned out. All of these "exclusive videos" and material are bootlegged to the net, and everyone is doing it. Is it that popular in the U.K? I'm in the U.S and I've only been caught twice in my 3 year career. But all of the world needs to have priorities. When people used to join PUA sites, they wanted to make improvements. Now, they just want to got laid, and not really make any progress.

Actually, current evidence suggests that men that are accessible will be picked over men that seem scarce, fleeting or hard to get. (Thogh you will get things like the romeo and julliet effect.

Good Pick up is about liberating people, and expressing to others that they CAN express their sexual selves with you and you are willing to accept them.

sadly the truth is that nice guys get stepped on in life! to be honest i used to be a 'nice guy' i used to help out everybody in anyway that i could but where did it get me?? NOWHERE!! i was always overlooked for promotion, did more hours for the same pay, always got asked to solve their problems for them and most importantly never got laid when i was in a relationship the girl would snap her fingers and id come running. FUCK THAT FOR A LIFE! i used to be a people pleaser but i was always miserable

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life sucks and then you die! deal with it

i think nice guys get a bad rep . for instance im not a nice guy but at the same time if a friend needs some help ill go out my way to fix there problem.

then again if some one tries to take advantage ill call them out on it.

i think its all about finding a happy middle ground.

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Seize the day

Nice guys are very accessible and get overlooked constantely. I know they say women date bad boys and marry nice guys. There is truth to this... but if you look at the situation closely the nice guy STILL loses.

Women only date nice guys when they realize they can never keep or control a bad boy. They get sick of the pain and heart break and eventually become bitter towards men. So they take it out on the nice guys by treating him like crap and having him raise kids he thinks are his... but are really the mailman's.

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Women are smarter than you think... but not as smart as THEY think

Nice guys lose, becuase they are un-assertive, (often nice guys are NOT nice) and the only reason they are called "nice" is becuase they have no other qualities bar being a Grade A doormatt.
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From a Female perspective. (Why the whole hard to get thing is a myth outside of specefic cases)

It does not help you evoloutionary wise, to chase men who are un-antainable or difficult to aqquire. As the chances of succesfuly mating with people who are un-attainable is very very low. (Spend all your time and resources chasing brad pitt and you probably won't have any kids to show for it by the time you are old and infertile).

So your sub-conscious makes you extra attracted to available and accesable men who you DO have a chance to sleep with and procreate with, and your natural instinct for what's attractive will put you with the most attractive person who is available to you.

There are bunch of studies on this, showing being positive and encouraging of the other person (i.e. NOT being "hard to get") makes the other person rate you as MORE attractive.

I'll list them when I get back home tommorrow night and I have access to some textbooks.

"Nice guys fail cause they do nice things and are easy to get hurr durr huurrr...." -Comes from a rheatoric established via correlation. I.E. Bad science.

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Fuck, there are plenty of GREAT PUA's on this board alone who consistently do nice things and encourage girls rather than play this whole "stay cool" game.

Most nice guys are infact manipulative ass holes in hiding.

Nice guy always buys his GF flowers/chocolate/dinner - not because he cares about her but because he wants to get laid.

Nice guy offers to help girl he likes for no payment - not because he wants to do it but because he wants to get laid.

Nice guy tells girl he meets at a club that he promises to call her again (even though he only wants to get laid that night, and wont ever call her again).

"bad boy" tells a girl to come over because he is horny. "bad boy" is honest, although slightly vulgar = he gets laid.


Basically, most nice guys have a hidden agenda which they try to manipulate their way into fulfilling - You can be a good person without being a "nice" guy.

A good man will hold a door open if there is someone walking behind him.
A good man will pick up a girl he likes phone on the way home from work because its on his way.
A good man will be honest.

A nice guy does things to get something. A good man will do nice things because he wants to. A "bad boy" will do things because he wants to.