| Ok, this may be awkward to some of us...
There have been a lot of ethical discussions on the forum, is it right to, is it moral to...
Well guess what, those discussions are not as important as you may think.
A lot off us walk aroundd believing that we gain superpowers when we become PUAs. That we are able to pick up any woman anytime even if she hates us. That we can manipulate our way into her bed. That we can make her do stuff that she dont want to.
Dudes, we arent all that powerful. I mean, yeah, of course we are better then the average AFC, we know what not to do but thats about it. What we are doing is basically marketing. We are good at presenting ourselves as good choices. And frankly, I think that we are.
Almost any guy could fit with any girl. All of us have something awesome. If a girl gets to know a guy she will see that he is quite a cool guy. He has an interesting personality and would be a good choice for some girl some day. We are just better at showing those things earlier on and we avoid the pitfalls along the way.
Pitfalls. There are so many things we can do to screw up. So many ways we can fail. By experience we learn to not do that.
Still, our skills enables us to grow as people and get what we want. A life of a cool guy. The guys who constantly got laid without working hard for it. When does that change? When we build a new lifestyle? Most likely yes.
What makes us feel bad then, immoral? We believe that we are presenting ourselves as better choices than we actually are. Our percieved egos are bigger than out actual egos. We feel that we arent worthy. That we dont deserve the girls, that it is just because of the game that they are interested. Guess what, there is no spoon. There is only you. And your inner strength and your self esteem.
There are no magic spells that makes a girl find you attractive even though you are not. There are no sneaky phrases that will convince her to do anything against her will.
The ONLY time you should be ashamed of yourselves is if you force her into doing something against her will, Physically or psyhologically. Now I dont mean NLP but threats, extortion and shit. But since we have all dedicated parts of our lives to learn how to deal with women, I dont think that people here do that. And if you do, you suck.
Most of us come from a place where we have been terrible with women. We have got rejected over and over or maybe not even tried. So when we learn to behave properly with women, we feel powerful. By our standards, we are supermen. But we are still not gonna be much better than the popular jock we were so angry with at school. I mean, yeah, we swoop in, run some routines and get the girl to accept us. The jock enters the room. Then the girls are already checking him out. Seriously, does that sound like we are the supermen to you? If we practice hard and get our inner game going we are gonna be able to do the same but thats like the limit. We dont go much higher than that. How much better can a game be than: Girl notices your existence and wants you. That the top.
So, Girls are NOT stupid. (Not more than us anyway.) They dont fall for a guy who pretends to be attractive. They fall for a guy who is attractive. If a girl has great juggs, I will still find her attractive even if they are fake. Good enough for one night. Guess what,, thats exactly what a girl would think. Not Mr right, but good enough for one night. They know exactly what they are doing.
As for girls with boyfriends... A subject discussed really well by K-loc.
They make up their own mind. They are not mindless fucking machines. If a guy comes along and is attractive she will be tempted. She may cheat on her BF. Thats not the guys fault. Unless he forced her to. He presents something good and it is up to her to go for it. She can say no. Yes, we tempt them, we are attractive and cool. If she thinks that we are attractive, then we are attractive. Oh sob sob, we are not worthy. Do you think anyone thinks that they are worthy? Do you think that there is anyone who can actually live up to the illusion of a perfect specimen? Not likely. Every single one of us is flawed, every single jock is flawed, every single rockstar is flawed. We feel like we dont deserve to have a girl think that we are hot because in our world we arent hot. But hey, thats up to her to decide. Deal with it.
Of course, if you are lying to her to sweeten the deal, then you suck. If you tell her that you own a ferrari and will make her a moviestar, then you give her false info about who you are. Thats uncool. You wouldnt lie to your male friends would you? Why would you lie to a girl?
I tell you that each and every one of you deserves to be called attractive. We are all fantastic people. We all have diverse skills and things that makes us unique. We just have to learn to see that ourselves.
So please, stop acting as if we are some kind of magical seduction machines, there are no love potions, there are no magic love spells and we arent superhuman. We do exactly what every other guy does, we work with what we have to get the upper hand. Ethically, if she wants to get down and dirty with you, it is 100% her decision based on what she knows about you. If you promise her things that you dont have any intention to keep, that sucks. If you dont, everything is ok.
Just my opinion, not the truth.
Ezo
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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.
bbardot: you just reminded me about porn
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