Ok, so I run in a pretty upmarket social circle, very fashion oriented and educated. Also, most of them are very very aware of pop culture and contemporary trends. Over the past few months I've noticed an awareness of game and seduction tactics that previously didn't exist. This came to a very obvious and unavoidably recognizable awakening last night in a club I book.

A young guy, probably 19-20, not very well dressed, approached a girl, (not even that hot a girl I might add) and asked her a question I couldn't hear. She turns to him and yells
"Oh my god, you're using game, that's so cute" then she grabbed her friend on the arm and told her, (by now the kid was slinking away) and the friend says "Cute, it's not cute, it's pathetic... Talk to women like a person you freak!"

I went over and asked them to leave the kid alone, I was gonna introduce him to some of my friends but he had already disappeared.

A week earlier I heard some girls talking about quote"nerdy" guys hitting on them in awkward ways and asking pointless questions. Another thing I've noticed is friends of mine saying that they feel guys aren't being "men" anymore and aren't direct enough. (btw they were quite explicit in saying they want guys to be dressed well and sensitive so they didn't meant it in another way)

A girl I was with last night was telling me she was tired of all the guys she met constantly doing "joking insults" (negs) and I've also seen a few girls blow guys out after a canned neg.

Here is what I've observed.

1. Canned opinion openers are dead. It has to be original and honest and actually worth asking. Not something stupid and irrelevant to the situation you're in.

2. Don't run through whole routines, just talk to the girl.

3. Dress well, and smile, and don't over neg.


I was wondering if you guys have any feedback.

By the way, this hasn't affected my game. But I don't use anything canned or run any particular routine anymore.

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Game is now a DLV.

So, forget everything you've ever read and learnt and instead regress to what you were before you'd even heard of PUA.

Doesnt sound like the work of skilled PUA:s.

Sounds more like AFC:s with balls to approach.

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60 years of challenge is also the best method I ever seen around, tho other authors or guru's like David D'angelo and co are good for inner game and frame, but when its comes to building up sexual tension that women crave, 60 is a sure bet.

Whats wrong with asking a stupid and irrelevant question or making such a statement to a girl as an opener? As long as you deliver it right, what you say pretty much doesn't matter any.

Although you have to remember that your observations are all heavily culture-centric; I think you have some very good and well observed points, and they should be heeded; the world is changing, the game is changing.

But...not by that much...if you're skilled...

This really pisses me off, not the game being a DLV, that is your assumption you got from your social circle, and that's okay.


But the reaction from the girls you hang out with, instead of seeing the effort the guy puts in they rather mock him. Which tells them more about themselves than they do about the guy.

They're being idiots, not the guy trying.

I'm sure that the group I'm in is one that is more aware of this than most girls. And I don't think that all elements of game are dead, far from it. I think that game is alive and kicking and is a fantastic thing.

What I do find though is that certain elements of game that are often where guys start out, ie opinion openers, routines etc. have become so overused and widespread that they have lost any originality that they once had, and have become worse than a simple "hey" because at least that seems spontaneous.

It's a sad thing, but I think the days of women being oblivious to game is over, and that now every single guy has to work hard on maintaining original thought and ideas.

I posted this in the PUA lounge because I didn't want any newbies getting disheartened and not trying because of my observations. Let's face it, the only thing that the kid I was talking about could have done worse is doing nothing at all. At least he approached them.


I've also noticed that I am no longer getting better or worse reactions from girls regardless of what i say. So I think there has to be a greater emphasis on teaching new guys body language and other elements of outer game.

I'm not criticizing game itself, I'm just pointing out that it's application can lose you more ground than it gains you if used incorrectly.

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Also, there is 3.1 billion women out there. If 2 thirds are under 18 or too old, and 1 in 10 of them is attractive, that leaves in excess of one hundred million attractive women. If 4 out of 5 are in a relationship, and 3 out of 5 are in happy relationships, and one in 20 is a lesbian that still leaves 57 million single(or on the rocks) straight, hot chicks.

So lets face it, it's worth approaching, I mean at least on of that 57 million will be impressed.

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4 out of 5 girls arnt in an exclusive relationship and most women who are arnt truly happy. But otherwise, good math.

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ive tried gaming girls with routines and canned openers before and they only seem to work on certain girls, maybe it is true about ' the smarter the girl is the easier it is for her to be seduced'. Although i havnt been busted for it, but if gaming is DLV for yourself i suppose you might have to be carefull who you game.

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Awesome!


Btw, Stand Up dude, you say you see nerds approaching and asking awkward and obvious questions. They're fake and gay. They just ain't doin it right.

If you want to play the game you gotta do it right. And they absolutely do it wrong. If they go "opinion openers", they have to act very spontaneous and like they're not hitting on them. If you do it directly you gotta show your huge balls from the start, something those gay midgets don't posses.

Btw, you got to see those (canned) routines not as wondrous lines you got to say roboticly to the girl. Use them a few times, then make your own routines following the same purposes.

I don't believe that every girl know about game. And even if a girl says "omg you're using game on me that's so cute", the pickup is not lost. Just answer with "wow! this was my first time i tried game and i got blown out on the first shot haha. How did you know i was running game on you?" and then go on about you wanted to try for fun and move on about relationships etc.

A good dress, a great smile, an awesome alfa body language are also part of (good) game.

I agree with the fact that you shouldn't (over) neg girls though.

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Well yeah man, as I said, personally I'm having no problems myself, and I use heaps of stuff I learned from Game in my own life. Just pointing out how things can go wrong quickly for people when they misuse the techniques

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Well then nothing to be worried about !

Next time when you see a geek approaching a girl or a set and they blow them out, go into the set yourself and start with something like "omg that was the worst pick up I've ever seen! What was he thinking?" and there you go

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