So I just started going to bars (i'm only 20 and I live in the U.S.) for a few weeks where just about every girl is older than me.

Tonight I met some girls that are about 4 years older and even a chick that was 32 (she actually looked in her 20s). It is SO odd because I can game much older and hotter chicks at bars than I normally do at my college parties.

I am just trying to make sense of how I seem like I have better game when I am openly drinking and gaming hotter and older women. You can say they're drunk or I'm drunk, but for the most part the girls I game, along with myself, are very coherent. It just makes no sense how it seems easier when I game harder women!

I am getting really confused because it seems like I can move to qualification and comfort, almost totally skipping a lot of attraction stories. I keep thinking that a girl will lose interest because I am not demonstrating enough value, but it seems like they call me back and shit.


So my question to all of you guys is: Wtf? Why does it seem like I need to go through the attraction phase less with better success rates? Are older women (ages 22+) different?

I only tell maybe 1 or 2 stories that barely demonstrate my value. All of the other attraction characteristics are observed (ex. confidence, humor, etc.). Do you think I should be telling more stories or focusing on attraction more?

Thanks!

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it's probably the hotness of the girls believe it or not. Seems to be like this:
Sorry to the girls for rating them by their looks...and to be honest a girl's difficulty will be more on how hot she thinks she is.
but in my infield i have found that

1-5: moderate to easy
6-7: very hard
8-9: moderately to easy
10: very hard

I honestly don't understand why 8's and 9's are easier than 6's and 7's but it may have to do with the amount that each group gets hit on.


-R

Its probably a mixture of factors

Like we all know the game was built on gaming girls between 20s-25
so its going to work in favor of that age group
Hotter girls even though their hot its actually a curse for them , either guys are to shy to do anything about it or their too weird . So when a guy come along and isnt a combination of that 2 your practically gold and they go for you

With older women they probably feel that their old and they cant compete with theese younger girls for guys their own age and well their lonely .
So their hell of a lot more open and easier to game

and with kids around college their probably either going for the older guys or want as much time to themselves and their mates due to a hectic stressful lifestyle ( although im not too sure on college kids)

my opinion anyways

30+ women are different not 22+. Girls in their 20's for the most part are the same.As to why you went thru the attraction phase less there are loads of reasons why with no on being the single reason why. As you got environment (people go to some bars to hook up), the girl saw you and like what she saw, etc etc. But really dude don't ponder about this as you are just going to drive your self mad if you you.

6-7's I believe are harder because they already assume that you want something from them when you talk to them. Since they don't get hit on a lot, they figure, "this guy is trying to get something from us" and it's harder to vibe.

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Thanks guys.

I have just been practicing my game on girls under 21 at crazy environments, like house parties. I think that since the game was developed specifically for the bar situation, with girls from 21-30, it may actually be easier to game girls now in stead of gaming 18-20 year old girls at house parties.

Confidence seems like its actually a huge factor as well.

House parties have always been too crazy to game girls perfectly, considering there are always distractions. I think it just became easier to game girls at bars because the girls are much more mature in a better environment for game.

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i'm from belgium. and i don't seem to see aloth off diffence over here.

girls off college or girls who are already 25. it all works. when there intellectual smart enuff. but i only game 18 - 25 years old girls. and sometimes i'd try a 30 + :d, but this doesn't really works for me because almost every time they have a bf or there married. ( don't wanna come between that)

this is fairly wrong.

10s are rather easy because they rarely get hit on, since most guys disqualify themselves up front. look at interviews with most models and superhotties. they're mostly all single and haven't gotten laid in a while because guys don't talk to them.

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Girls in the low-to-mid range have been forced to develop their personalities to compensate for their average looks. This makes them less insecure than more attractive girls.

10s are actually the easiest to game once you get past the first fifteen minutes of shit-tests and brush offs. Many men approach them, but most are too intimidated up front to make it that far.

You're discovering that the MM3 model doesn't have to be used in a totally stepwise fashion, and it's not always accurate.

A direct opener like "Excuse me, I just noticed your striking sense of style and I had to come over and find out more about you" Skips attraction and goes straight into qualification. You're opening with "yeah you have one attractive quality, now show me some more." You can do this if you have the mindset of ASSUMING attraction rather than spending 5-10 minutes trying to create it.

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that was so gay... sorry

6s-7s are difficult because they are used to being the girlfriend. they date one guy for long periods of time and so are looking for a specific type of guy...basically the opposite of a player...and as for old broads (28-40)...they tend to be easy to pick up if you provide good conversation. you really don`t have to run routines. they`re just happy someone is talking to their old ass.

Ummm, hate to burst your pride bubble but as a 40 year old swinger that regulary attends swinger parties and swinger clubs and events this is absolutely NOT true in most cases.

There are exceptions like the drunkin, haggard, old, used up pathetic barfly but most middle aged women have their shit together and can see through a player like a clear window on a sunny day.

What separates the "old broads", isn't that they are 'easy' it's that they know what they want and they know in minutes or even seconds if you have it or not. If you have it, you are in. If you don't have it, you are out.

If they seem to fall for your lines and routines it is because they have played you, not the other way around. If they thought you were "so cute" with your little pick up lines and routines they may fuck you in spite of your game, not BECAUSE of it.

MILFs, cougars or whatever you want to call them are in charge and they know it. They may like the attention and they may get some kind of kick out of the flattery but in the end it's all about if you have what they are looking for at that period of time. If you do and you appear like you may be good for it, they may take you up on it. If you don't, then just move along because there won't be anything to see here.