From observation, girls seem to get insulted easier and easier every time I observe them. It can be on tv, when they are speaking to my friends or even to each other.

There are actually videos posted on the forum of people using MM and getting owned on speed dating.

I just feel like a lot of techniques are becoming outdated and natural game is becoming more effective and may become popular in the future. PUAs like gambler and Carlos Xuma are becoming more popular, focusing more on inner game.

Even mystery is changing some of his concepts to fit modern day game (ex. negging and disinterest is becoming recalibration, etc.).

Finally, I even noticed that I do not need to focus hard on my game when I go out. Today, I am able to attract more girls just using overall concepts of pickup. Direct game is even becoming more effective.


Let me know what you guys think. Are some techniques like negging becoming outdated?

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If you are not a PUA, you are a noob.

Maybe to a point. It's not like this is genetic memory passed on from generation to generation, these are just girls who probably get used to that shit as they start getting closer to their late-20s.

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People in general today are thinned skinned and because of this, its easier for them to get insulted.
I would more say MM method is more overused, and because of this people like Mystery who make a living off teaching pick up have to find a new area of pick up to make money on. And natural game is something that has not been overused yet. Plus a lot of girls are aware of MM which doesn't always work well in the guys favor.

I don't "approach".


It doesn't have a naturalness to it.



In fact, a lot of people who diss Indirect by saying Direct is more natural, is wrong. Direct is just as gamey, scripted and false sounding as indirect.



When I first realised that neither indirect/direct were for me, I thought I was stuck, I then started searching for a middle ground, or something that was neither of them, since I have found it, it has been one of my best advancements I have experienced.

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Munroe: "I kinoed the hell out of that goat"
Jav: "bashing chodes 24/7 ftw"
Slywalker: "Neg the bagel"
Slywalker: "I had a 1yr old GF when I was 19"
SS_Trunks:I asked her for an extra pen, confidently....

Direct or indirect game can be more natural for others than it is for others. Both styles are equally gamey, scripted, and false sounding if they are not natural to you. As you pointed out I think without noticing it is that you have to find your OWN STYLE. You said neither of these two fit you totally, but a mix of them does. Natural game is the best type of game because it conforms to who you are, instead of having you conform to a certain style.

Hey Finesse, this actually sounds really cool. Could you explain this, or at least give us a better idea of what you mean?

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Don't hate, just dominate.

Sure thing, I'll start a seperate thread (:

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Munroe: "I kinoed the hell out of that goat"
Jav: "bashing chodes 24/7 ftw"
Slywalker: "Neg the bagel"
Slywalker: "I had a 1yr old GF when I was 19"
SS_Trunks:I asked her for an extra pen, confidently....

Well, I think that it is because the people of the forum start developing their skills. This happens all the time. As you progress you start focusing on inner game. This is really when the journey starts. Outer game and routines can only take you so far.
Natural game is not the same as inner game. I mean, inner game is useful, (Required) for all game. You cannot skip it. Indirect game as well.

When you say that some techniques are outdated it is because you are talking about routines right. I mean, yes, if something is overused it loses its allure but that is our own decision. Most of us on this forum wouldnt use the "80s dogs opener" just because it is boring. I mean we are sick and tired of it and we have alternatives so why do it.

As for negs, yes, at a certain stage of your game you wont need it anymore. A neg is for troubleshooting, if you have shown too much interest or if your value isnt high enough you use the neg. But if your game is tight enough, those problems never arise so you dont need it. Thus, outdated if your game is good.

But the principles of gameing like indirect and direct are the same, they wont change. So dont despair, the stuff you are learning can still be used.

Oh and, just because people bash the MM, it doesnt mean that it is useless, it just means that those guys dont need it anymore and think that it is fun to charge the man on top...

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

What you are all saying is true. I think that pickup is more about finding some trust in your own style of game. It gives you a chance to show who you are. It is always important to know overall concepts of game, just do not "go by the book" too much.

In stead of focusing on a routine, focus on what a routine allows you to do and how it allows you to act. The concepts of game today seem to just be guidelines on a good conversation with a woman. If you try your best to look good, be cool and have a good conversation within an author's guidelines, it will most likely give you a second date from a woman.

Things like the "80's dog opener" and "Talk show opener" are examples of things inside an author's guideline, but it doesn't really get you anywhere. Opening asking what a girl thinks about your shirt and talking about shopping might be more effective because it is genuine and lets a girl know about you.

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If you are not a PUA, you are a noob.

i believe a lot of routines don't work anymore. because overused and stuff.

Well, thats why most people stop using routines as soon as possible.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn