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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 2:38 am 
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* But Were Afraid To Try

This Monday, I will begin a month long day game challenge I have set myself.

Along the way, I will experiment with direct, indirect, MM3, (C-R)+Q+S = A, and every other theory and method I know.

If you have ANYTHING you've ever wanted to experiment with, let me know and I will scientifically test it against any other method as best as I can. I'm willing to try anything (reasonable!)

Day 1: On Monday I will do 20 approaches using the indirect functional opener "Hi do you know if there's a starbucks around here?" And 20 approaches with the direct opener "Excuse me, I had to come over and say hi because I think you look amazing and I wanted to know if there's anything more than meets the eye" I will post the results later that day.

[I'll also do my best to record audio during my approaches so I can listen back and analyse and hopefully get feedback from you guys. If anyone lives in central London and wants to help me do this by winging / recording video then that would be really cool ;-) ]


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This is an amazing idea, I'd be very interested in your findings. Keep me posted

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Ok first off this will be misleading.
Lets say if your usual game is direct rather than indirect.
Then any method that is more direct than the others will be more successful for you.

Second with your first day you're going to use "Excuse me, I had to come over and say hi because I think you look amazing and was wondering there was more than meets the eye" shows you haven't progressed much since you've started.
That line is canned, and so many girls have heard that before.

Another problem is when you are trying to use an exact method and you aren't use to it, you will most likely fail.

The fact is you can never have an accurate result of which method works best.
All you need to do is make sure the ladies enjoy themselves as do you.
You will get more results with that than you will any method and I guarantee that.

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do it.... great idea!

il be waiting for the results :lol:

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OK Results time. Apologies for the delay, it took longer to actually get 20 proper approaches down for each, and the audio recording thing never really worked. Anyway.

Day 1+2: Indirect "Starbucks opener" - 20 Approaches
2 - Said "no thanks" as if I was offering them the big issue or something :-(
6 - Gave directions / didn't know, in a hurry and walked off before chance to transition
7 - Managed to transition by bodyrocking away slightly, then commenting on something about them like what they were wearing or some kind of cold read. Got onto an ok conversation but no real momentum or chemistry, thanked them and said goodbye.
4 - Transition went well, got them laughing, DHV'd, bit of qualification, number closed.
1 - Insta-date at nearby coffee shop that was "much better than starbucks" :-)

Day 3+4: Direct Opener - 20 Approaches. I toned this one down slightly to "I really like your sense of style, it's really well put together" + something to do with colour blocking, elegance, hipster, retro, or whatever was actually related to what they were wearing.
3 - Cut me off before could deliver opener because were "late" or "busy" etc...
1 - Really sarcastic "thanks" and immediately walked off. Bitch.
5 - Transitioned, usually some kind of cold read relating their fashion sense that I picked up on to what kind of person they are / job they have, e.g. "you strike me as a creative type of person, I bet you work in design or publishing." But either didn't get n-close or conversation didn't go well enough to bother asking for it.
7 - N-closes!
4 - Insta-dates :-)

Now I haven't tested the flakiness level of the numbers, but looking at these results, it's clear to me that going direct is the best way to get more numbers and more dates. I would say the most important things to make sure of when doing day game versus night are:
1. Body language is super important - where you stand and how you stand can mean the difference between getting completely ignored or being able to create attraction quickly in the 5 or 10 minutes you have.
2. Transition super quick into something interesting, try and relate something she says to a DHV story and qualify out of that so that you have a 5 minute skeleton outline in the back of your mind to run. It sounds very routine based but I can't see how you can get anywhere unless you move through the steps quickly.
3. 3 light kinos on arms/shoulders is enough, remember to kino her for compliance / when she passes your screening questions / makes you laugh, etc. I do double kiss when I say goodbye after getting n-close, that's European not sure if Americans do that, but it allows a nice touch on small of back which is useful.

I'm really coming around to direct day game. I think it's much better than direct night game because going direct in a club requires a massive amount of social proof or great looks, etc. During the day it's just you and her. Your confident attitude is already raising your value so as long as you stick to your guns you can have a great time. It's also fun because you're not likely to fall into the trap of being too outcome oriented. Since it's unlikely a girl on her lunchbreak is gonna go back to your place, then your goal is simply to establish attraction, rapport and some comfort and arrange a time to meet again by exchanging info. At night there's all this pressure to get all the way to seduction and f-close in a few hours, which can start bringing out this neediness and anxiety that none of us need. Also, with a street full of people nobody will ever actually notice you get blown out, so social proof, value, etc. is solely based on how you present yourself, not any external factors.

If anyone has any ideas for my next challenge, I'd welcome them. I think starting next week I'm just gonna work on getting as many high quality numbers as possible. Then I might start working on how far I can push kino escalation in public (can you k-close on the street?), and then if the girl is on holiday or not working, maybe see if I can get through comfort quick enough to get a SNL (or I guess S*D*L!).


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First off, thanks for the awesome post. I think a lot of people will get a lot of use out of this. As to,
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Then I might start working on how far I can push kino escalation in public (can you k-close on the street?),
Check out www.daygame.com. I believe Yad does a live approach where he k-closes on the street in 8 minutes.

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good read


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nice! gonna try that myself :)


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Great post. Did you notice any difference in the close rates based on how good looking the girls were? Like for example you would expect to get further with 7s and 8s than with 9s and 10s, but when i've done day game (always direct) this holds true less than it holds true for night game.

Also you might try to find out what types of girls give the best responses. For example, walking towards you, standing, sitting outside, walking with you. I find the subway is great for day game because you have like a couple minutes to sit or stand in one place with them.

You could also fool around with different direct game openers esp how strong the compliment is. The whole spectrum from "I think your kind of cute" to "I think you look amazing" to "I think you are gorgeous and I just HAD to talk to you"


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Wait, aren't we supposed to stay away from compliments?


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Wait, aren't we supposed to stay away from compliments?
In indirect game the strategy is not to show too much interest early on, so you save compliments for the qualification stage when she's "earned" them for passing your screening questions / showing compliance, etc.

In direct game the point is that you're being totally upfront about your *initial* interest in her physical appearance and getting quickly to the stage where she's trying to prove that she has unique, interesting character traits as well. It's basically a shortcut to get to the qualification stage earlier.

The 'rule' about compliments isn't hard and fast. The point is, in the club doing indirect game, women are gonna hear "you're hot" from a bunch of choads so much that it loses meaning and she'll assume you are one too. You can still give a compliment if it's sincere, you're coming from a position of equal or higher value, and you're not saying it expecting something from her (e.g. so that she'll talk to you / like you).


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Wait, aren't we supposed to stay away from compliments?
not really, only a few people insist upon this. as long as you don't go crazy about it.

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Great post. Did you notice any difference in the close rates based on how good looking the girls were? Like for example you would expect to get further with 7s and 8s than with 9s and 10s, but when i've done day game (always direct) this holds true less than it holds true for night game.

Also you might try to find out what types of girls give the best responses. For example, walking towards you, standing, sitting outside, walking with you. I find the subway is great for day game because you have like a couple minutes to sit or stand in one place with them.

You could also fool around with different direct game openers esp how strong the compliment is. The whole spectrum from "I think your kind of cute" to "I think you look amazing" to "I think you are gorgeous and I just HAD to talk to you"
1. I only approach women I find attractive, whether she's a 8.5 or a 9 really doesn't matter that much, and is so subjective. I didn't specifically notice any one type responding better or worse.

2. I personally find stopping them as they are walking towards you the best, because you already have the opportunity to make a bit of eye contact beforehand and they are already looking at you. If you miss your chance then you can tap them on the shoulder or arm from behind but if you follow them too long or they notice you doubling back then this could easily look creepy. Also for indirect, it makes the idea that you're just asking for directions obviously false because you're specifically following her and tapping her on the shoulder - it's the same as walking all the way across the club to ask the table of HB10s an opinion opener.

3. Yeah experimenting with the strength of opener is an interesting idea. I think that in general ones that work best aren't solely about aspects of her physical appearance she has no control over, e.g. you're hot, or you have beautiful eyes, but rather something like how she's done her hair or put her style together. Again, it's valuing her for something she wants to be valued for, not just something she feels she hasn't actually achieved or earned. Also noticing her elegant dress sense (or whatever) shows you have an eye for detail and have certain standards.


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nice job, i'm learning :d


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