Female perspective on this thread is welcome.

here are some observations:


First, we have the frown.

It's usually the way a girl will dismiss something you did/say/whatever by frowning (uncomfortable look on the face). Girls know that guys don't want to see a girl unhappy or uncomfortable, we are afterall, big pussies.
"can I have a cigarrete/whatever/yada yada?" "no" ~frown, sad face, confused face~

Giggle at it, tell her it makes her look cute.

Second, Vibe Control.

Guys are lazy and want to be comfortable at all times, I concur. Girls know this aswell. Getting mad or sad at a guy is an excellent way to push her agenda.
Guys will usually fix the situation so they can be comfortable again, usually giving her exactly what she wants.

Learn to be comfortable being uncomfortable. And have some fuckin' self-respect.
My rule is: If it's convenient for me, I'll do it. But I won't run from half side of town to the other to pick something up for her.

Jav Jav Jav Jav. (Dunno, just felt like saying your name )


You raise an interesting point, one I thought of when I was out a week or so ago when some chick tried controlling me / getting what she wanted.

You missed a big one out I think, girls can often also try to be over nice to get things. Now to the aspiring PEE YEW AY, they could easily fall into this trap of 'going along with' the girl and her niceness. These chicks are slightly more manipulative and sly, so it's okay to be a bit more assertive than usual. But don't turn into a snobby little bitch and up your own ass about it, makes you look like a little girl.




I think the problem, when giving advice like our friend Jav has done here, is that guys often interpret it as 'be an asshole' or having to be overly ass-ish about shit. Which basically swings to the over side of the spectrum, so instead of being a pussy you become a guy who is scared of being a pussy and trying to make up for it. Or you might just be an asshole.






I think the best way to deal with this, and as I think Jav might have said, is to not take their little tantrums seriously. Personally I find it cute, so I just look at them like 'aww you're so sweet', they will continue to throw tantrum sometimes (depending on the chick), but if you're still and immoveable internally (mood not affected by other people) she will come round and be back to normal after she realises her bullshit isn't budging you.



You can also throw in some *slightly* patronising comfort like 'awww, babyyyy I'm sorrryy' and be all huggy/kissy with them. It has to seem more genuine with a hint of patronising.


Or alternatively, you can be the dominant one and sort it out so that you both benefit from it. So, agreeing to her plans, but throwing in a tonne of yours before it. " Alright, we'll do that in a minute, but first I want to...."


Etc.




Maybe one of these suits you more than the other, or also suits the situation better than the other.

I've done them all, and they all work.


or '"Awww, baby, I'll make it up to youuu" (with sex, standard.)


Allthough what me and Jav have said here is veryyyy easy and common damn sense, you'd be surprised at how easily MOST guys fall into this trap. I on occasion have found myself almost slipping into it, but then you notice it and pull yourself out of it before the evil wicked women get their way



Love
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~Finesse

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Munroe: "I kinoed the hell out of that goat"
Jav: "bashing chodes 24/7 ftw"
Slywalker: "Neg the bagel"
Slywalker: "I had a 1yr old GF when I was 19"
SS_Trunks:I asked her for an extra pen, confidently....

Vary valid points,

and a nice contribution to the thread.


I'd like to state, balance is key in most advice. Don't go for extremes.

I just know there are people out there that get paid for picking up and delivering packages.
Yet this does not describe my task as a lover.

Women who want their way are like trolls on the Internet. Instead of trying to flaunt around their e-peen, women try to flaunt their feminity.

Treat them as you do internet trolls. Tell them to qq, and if you must flame back, flame smartly and intelligently (but not too seriously =p).

No matter what you do, I think the best course of action is the one that keeps both your personal worth and her personal worth at a near equal level. If you be a so-called asshole , you're lowering her personal worth, and she'll be sure to tell her friends about you and hurt your chances with her. If you be a so-called bitch to her, you're lowering your personal worth, and with hers above yours now, she's going to start considering a new guy who has equal or higher worth than her.

It's an elaboration on the "balance is key" statement.

How girls get what they want.

They flaunt their sexuality. What more is there to say?

I would say... Women dont get what they want.

They get what comes their way that is closest to what they want. And in the end they realize that they didnt want what at first looked like what they wanted...

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

This attitude varies wildly with a woman's age. If a woman is young, 16-19, she's usually too inexperienced to know any better and she is just acting on instinct and her upbringing.

If a woman is 20-28, she usually knows the game and wants to play hard-to-get or some other bullshit, but that's also learned behavior. Maybe if she's had some rough life experiences, she'll be a little more up-front, but your average 25 year old chick in a club is going to play games-- they don't know any better.

29-35+ and they are usually done with the bullshit and their looks have started to fade (fuck I know the feeling) so they are done with the little games and if they are still single, or even better, divorced, they are in the club because they want to have fun and get laid.

That's why older women can bag hot guys because they are done playing games and they speak their mind and give up the pussy.

And of course, if the woman is a 5 or less on the beauty scale, all this doesn't apply, because unattractive girls are completely different in attitude and psychology than attractive girls.

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I married my PUA!

Girls from 18 to 25ish don't know anything about game and have no freaking clue to what they want. All they know is if they play cute and dumb and show off their assets they have the possibility to attract guys. These girls play hard to get because they have no freaking clue to what they want. Think of a early 20 something guy in a room full of brand new shiny cars and he can have his pick. How long do you think he is going to stay with any single car?

I want to point out that the intention of this thread is to focus on "needs&demands". i.e. how she is making you run her errands/avoid talks/whatever.

You can discuss the relationship side of the story here: here-vp358991.html#358991

nice insights tnx.