Im reading David DeAngelo's double your dating, and he talks about the aspect of telling her pretty much "you would be a great friend", in which this throws the female off because shes used to guys always wanting her, and actually makes her wonder why you dont want her, and she will try to get your interest.

How proven is this method? Id feel like id have a hard time gut feeling saying this to someone.

All methods work for girls in different situations, times and contexts, what works brilliant on a girl at one time will work horrible on her in another so make sure you find the appropriate time and place to use it

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That's a great idea and will definitely work providing it's in the beginning stages/you don't have much comfort. If you have a lot of comfort or are in the latter stages then you may risk ACTUALLY friendzoning her, and I often define pickup as the continued interaction with a girl whilst avoiding friendzone.

But the thing is, you can say pretty much anything at the beginning and still pickup the girl later.

The key is all decisions girls make are state-dependent.

Oftentimes if I feel a a girl is going to be hard to pickup going direct (usually due to logistics) then I'll find some other means to set up a day 2, perhaps as friends or for her to teach me swimming or because we both like charity (all recent examples).

Because I know very well that no matter what the first meet was like, once we're together on the second meet, I can easily sarge her as we'll be alone.

Logistics is the biggest cockblock...

if a girl is particularly hot she might smell bullshit. as there are plenty of guys who want to be her "friend"

hows this for one? you talk about one of her attractive friends, like "hey your friend is pretty".. *this girl im talking to, i added one of her friends on facebook and she asked if i knew her, i just said not personally but had her on myspace for years* and she said they are close friends. I eased tension off the situation like playfully asking "if you 2 where to fight, who would win? " this changes the subject of me adding her friend like another guy trying to get ass.

Ask her "hey you gotta introduce me to her".. that is after she already has this idea of you as a great guy, would this possibly make her feel competition and wonder why you dont dig her instead?

Similar case could of happened to me, except i didnt ask to be introduced to her friend but I could just sense it because of how she was talking down about her friend after i said her friend was pretty, she instantly replied with "she likes bad boys, all her exs where losers" like she was under-qualifying her friend to my standards like i wouldn't like her.

Re. the above if she wont introduce you to her friends she probably likes you as more than a friend.

i guess im an idiot because she really does have a bf.. i was getting the impression that she was done or they wherent cool but on the phone she calls me to say how shes upset that the flowers she ordered her bfs mom didnt get there.. It gets me because she would call me and spend hours on the phone.. this past weekend i didnt pick up her calls because i figure i could freeze her out a lil.

Why the fffff do girls have a bf yet talk to another guy for hours? I was thinking that this guy was someone who just buys her shit because of before how she used to mention he is successful and buys her flowers alot *i was thinking some chump*...

yet she calls me alot and tells me about her day etc, or says how she likes what type of guys etc.

So im either tempted to just straight out tell her "yo i dont need this, im really feeling you, i think your attractive, but you got a bf, and i really cant talk to you"...

or I just try to forget it , push for a casual meet up as friends and go from there..