I'm sorry if this seems a weird question, but I think if I could do this then I can take my game to another level.

Obviously the way I do things works to an extent but it's not getting the exact results I desire.

A few of you will know I've occasionally been out sarging, and I'm getting consistent in getting numbers with average looking girls, however I'm at a point where average girls just don't cut it any more. I've gotten numbers, set up day 2s and closed these girls but I feel it's time to aim higher. Whereas my mates see any girl as a hole to put their penis in, I have an abundance mentality (not comparing, giving perspective). I get AA for approaching the stunners, but I know exactly how to deal with this. Just push through it. For the first time at uni I'm not seeing any girl at uni, only at home, so now I have the motivation I need.

Onto the main part: I have a massive social life, I'm constantly getting introduced to girls whether I approach them or not, and I'm just my usual confident, alpha, funny self (or so I think). I get their number, go on an innocent shopping trick, starbucks etc and I invite her back to mine to show her my room and accommodation. Once there it's kino time and I'm so consistent with this now I can't remember the last time I failed. This is how I operate.

Now of course, this only works if they let me work it. If they don't come shopping with me then it doesn't happen. When I've kissed a girl for the first time I've sometimes asked them when they were attracted to me and when they wanted me to kiss them, and it's always been within the hour.

So, I think this leaves me with two options.

- She's lying. She always was attracted to me.
OR
- I'm relying on my kino to do it for me.

I'm more inclined to believe it is the second. I don't see why a girl would lie and I also know I'm only average looking. Please don't anyone give me the "looks don't matter" lecture because I know it already, I wouldn't change my looks and I'm happy the way I am. If a girl wants to dismiss me instantly because of my looks then that's her loss. But then it's also my loss in a way, because at the very least I don't get to have sex with her.

I know looks are only one thing, and that confidence, humour, social status and other things are attractive too. I have those things, but I'm not the guy that girls talkabout fucking, or find hot. How do I be that guy? Can I be that guy? Would it even help me if I did?

Sorry for the long post, all replies are appreciated.

All I know is that I am happy with my success with women, but want to take it further. I am seeing a girl that I think is stunning, but she is my first one - it's not consistent like it is with average girls.

Either I am dismissed instantly because I'm not as hot as all the other guys she has after her or I am not doing things right despite thinking I am, or doing them well enough.

I want her to be attracted to me BEFORE I am alone with her. How can I do this?

Thanks

well to tell you the truth, from what it sounds like you could probably work on your physical apperance.


now there are things we cant change, the shape of our nose, our dick size, our natural hair color, eye color, face shape ect (for the most part all of us cant afford to change these things surgically) but there are many parts that we can.

we can go to the gym to lose weight, get our hair styled to look better, get tanner, whiten teeth, the works. to me these things are purely DUMB! they truely are in every sense. but when you meet women, specially when you first start talking these things are what builds attraction first, before you open your mouth.

my advice to you is advice i got before i was getting the super hot girls, and it is advice that took more time to change then just the typical how to open sets or how to ask someones opinion on something. to get a girl who is a 10, you have to BE a 10. in every sense. now, thinking about this fast as you read it makes it sound easy almost, but when you break down everything there is in a girl who is a 10 there is ALOT that you can recover. the way she acts, the time she spends to look how she does in public, the way she walks, the general feeling she gives off. these are things you have to do, and mimic. see how they interact with the world around them, see how they hold themselves.. this is what you need to do. and although im talking about girls, it is pretty similar for guys to do

make your life like the life of a 10. when you have social value, it has to be high. an example, when you go out with a group of girls, they should be the hottest ones you know so that any 10s you meet, see that you are friends with hot girls, not just girls in general

it took me a while to really get control of this idea and lifestyle change, and everyone does it in there own way i cannot tell you exaclty how to do things or how to dress or whatever that is just your own way, but always remember that if you are even slightly confused on what exactly to look for, just study a 10 and see what they do, its something you can fall back on when you cant find the answer to get a 10


mR.e

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dont even think just do it!

Hmmm this is a little tricky because first attraction is based on looks and if you think you're only average looking, I can see how it could be really hard.

This is jst my opinion and I hope it helps but I have one (male) friend who is a bit chubby and clumsy but for some reason always has stunners as girlfriends. Why? His game. He makes these girls laugh and feel protected and appreciated but not like they can walk all over him. He keeps an air of mystery about himself without being a snob.

I also have a female friend who is also a bit chubby but very pretty (some guys would say she would be the hottest thing ever if she lost some weight) but despite this, she always has gorgeous looking guys after her. Again, this is because of her natural game. If she feels like she needs to put the bitch shield up, she will creating an air of mystery and intrigue around her. She will slowly let guys in and they are constantly intrigued by her.

I guess both of my friends are extremly comfortable in their own skin and their skills at PU and attractign the opposite sex.

I dont know if this has helped you at all, but hope it has!

PS> I agree with mR.e in the fact that if you act like a 10, you will get the 10. My boyfriend and his mates reckon I'm a 10 (not trying to be stuck up just stating a fact! =P) and have asked him on a few different occassions what I am doing with him. i think he is beautiful and to me he is a 10. However, I didnt always think this - when I first met him, I would call him "cute" but not a 10. Since getting to know him, he is the most amazing guy I know. The way he carries himself, the way he speaks and acts just drives me crazy and shows me that perfection actually does exist! Just wanted to share that with ya! Good luck

There is a difference between creating attraction, and being attraction.

Which one are you doing.

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i'd rather be some ugly dude who got hot girls because he had skills, than some good looking dork who gets girls because of his face or abs or whatever. i like the way people will get bitter and jealous when they see a guy they consider of low value with a hot girl. haha

mR.e I am a bit skinny but I do my hair and dress very well, I suppose I could go to the gym but that would mean cutting down on my social life. I guess I'm not willing to make that sacrifice, plus I don't have that much money anyway.
I have thought about this and I'm glad you mentioned it; shows we're thinking on the same lines. I don't want to just befriend hot girls in order to lead a superficial lifestyle of a 10 so obviously I need to draw a line. Acting like a 10 etc whilst still going out with girls who are my friends but not stunners.

gfofpua This helps much, normally I'm quite open so obviously I need to try and be more mysterious.

Rafiel Gamble I aim to do both, though I think it is a safe bet to say I mostly create attraction as I rely on game and not open goals (girls who show interest off the bat). I want to learn how to be attractive as well as create it!


vagfan I'd rather be attractive and get girls because I have game as well because I'm attractive, which is what this thread is about!

Cheers for all the replies, been helpful so far. Please keep them coming!

Me too. My inner game and confidence varies, just like everyone. When I'm on a down I'll start more creating attraction as you said until I get in state. Sometimes on the street during the day I still get AA. When I'm up, I feel like I can go up to any girl and kiss her in the first couple of minutes.

The big change came for me about a year ago when someone said to me, "BE THE SEX". And basically drilled it into my thick head.

You know when you are BEING THE SEX (it has to be in caps) when the girl gets horny just by looking at you. Or at the very least she knows you have status and probably your intentions too.

Good practice is to go direct during the day (where extraneous factors are slim) and do what I call "James Bond" it. Which is, just go in pretending you're James Bond (without verbalising it) and ask her out right off the bat. Last time I did this was with a Polish HB8 in a café - I literally had sex with her eyes before I opened my mouth. When I asked her out she initially said she had a boyfriend but I knew she was lying and a minute later she agreed to go on a date with me (it never worked out in the end).

I guess the theme that comes out from this is your non-verbals. You can BE attraction before you even start speaking.

The other thing that helps me be attraction is inner game. Sorry to mention such an abstract and boring point, but if you know that at the core you are more valuable than other people - perhaps you have a good job or are famous or very good at dancing or a sport or maybe just awesome social skills - these core skills and values will give you the fundamental self-esteem and confidence that lets attraction ooze out of you and every word you say.

And that's all without game.

There is a very sexual dimension to all this though. Being attractive and high value is one thing, but there is no end goal. Presuming sex is your end goal, it's useful to be able to be a girl's fantasy. You've had quite a bit in bed - but you haven't REALLY been a girl's FANTASY. You could start to see everything before the lay as foreplay. That's a useful paradigm shift.