It's been a while since I've posted here. I've been field testing most of the Mystery Method stuff.

...most of it was advice already given to me, but I had no means of operating on them. As of now, I've tested it at work, and EVERY SINGLE GIRL IS IN LOVE WITH ME. Like, even the ones who don't flirt. Even some of the FEMALE managers are attracted to me.

At the club, I can hold a convo, but in all honesty, one of these days, I'm gonna fight some dude(s). They keep trying to crowd, and I just hold conversation and ask them how they're doing and such, and they leave. I KNOW...there's going to be that one guy, and if he tries what I think he may do, he's a dead man in spades.

But back on my way with girls:

They say hi, I grab and hug them, and they hug back, and ask me how I'm doing. We talk a bit, I tease them, then compliment them...


...and now, my dilemma: I think I'm an AFC on the wrong side of the spectrum. (I will be humble and admit this, for it is through acknowledgment that progress is made).

A typical "AFC" is one who struggles to get girls because he's too scared or nervous to be confident and cocky around a girl.

I feel like I'm the other breed of AFC; I have no problems getting girls, but I feel I can't connect with them.

I can flirt, touch, and arouse, but I can't qualify, EV from them, or even hold a typical "bonding" conversation without me thinking I'll lose their attraction by asking those "nice guy" questions.

Or, perhaps I can EV and screen them, but I'm too angry and resentful for past instances to even consider viewing them as worth more than just tits, ass, and a vag.

I don't think I'm sexist. I love that women are getting more freedoms and being considered equal to men in most areas of society. That's not the problem.

It's my own view. I view women as sex objects; mere toys and practice dummies, instead of caring human beings with potential to love and care. I feel if I show affection (Which I want to), I'll be thrown into the friend zone faster than you can say the words "friend zone".


I want to be able to connect with a girl without looking like a "nice guy", but I also want to be a "Nice guy" in the right context (Nice, as in kind and caring, not ass kissing).

Can someone help me? Thanks for any feedback; I really appreciate it.

And you are posting this in the Relationship section because......?

Try the Natural section. I think that's what you want to do.

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I'm the same way man. After past experiences I just can't help but see all girls as closet sluts, and evil. I literally think women are evil. I just view them as sex objects these days. After the shit my ex pulled, the lies, the deceit, and the hurt she caused. I don't trust women and its an experience that I will carry for a long time. The power women have over our heart is infinite and the only way to stop them from ripping us apart is to objectify them and use them effectively taking away their humanity.

Fuck bitches, make money.

LOL epic post and i feel i'm about to become the same even though in reality i really don't want to be turned into this.

Dizzler, Rich... You need to address your negative feelings towards women. How can you be a good womaniser if you hate women?


Rune, my basic interpretation of the mystery method is 'look cool, get girl.' I'm not doubting it can be effective in creating enough attraction to f-close but that seems to be it. You say you don't want to ask 'nice guy' questions - like what? Whats your job? What do you do in your spare time? How do you expect to make a connection with a girl you know nothing about?

There's whole books devoted to how to get a decent connection with a girl, but as a starting point I would look at Gamblers book natural art of seduction i think it's called.

Replace man with woman, girls with guys, women with men....


..and guess what?

You sound exactly like a militant second wave feminists.. congradulations on losing one battle in life then crawling away like a bitter child.

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Seroiusly, man the fuck up, there are good and bad on both sides of the spectrum and yes, you will be hurt in life, you will probably be hurt in love. You've chosen to close yourself off, you don't want a romance because you got hurt last time. Same reason I don't fry eggs anymore, cause last time I got egg shell in there.

So you remove all your feelings so that you will never be hurt, like I remove fried eggs from my diet... ...unfortunatly you cheat yourself out of alot more than I do.

Now I don't expect I nor anyone can fix this in you right here and now. And I do not have the resources in time, profesionalism or effort to start counciling you in any way.

All I will say to you is, I hope you get through this. For your own sake.

Clearly you're delusional to think my views and opinion of women are similar to a militant dikes. Really? Oh and I'm not some bitter child going home alone at night.

The point I tried to convey, in a tongue and cheek manner, was that once a woman hurts you, when you make yourself vulnerable to the wrong girl and it back fires and your left with a pain, It's an experience you carry with you the rest of your life which effects your outlook on women. I had my heart torn out by a woman about 5 months ago, and after experiencing that you take on what can be compared to a "bitch shield" - though you are actively pursuing woman, want a good women in your life, and wish affection from women, you place a guard around your emotions effectively hardening your heart, making it a hard nut to crack so that only a woman you can trust with your vulnerability and emotions can get to it. Part of that guard is an a generalized outlook that the majority of woman can readily use and abuse you, and take you for an emotional ride if you let you're guard down. "Women are evil"

This outlook is essential to a PUA for an LTR. B/c you must a remain a challenge to a woman, you have to be an onion shedding one layer of a time and revealing yourself to her as she earns your approval - or you determine her worthy of knowing you more intimately. As you continue down your path of searching for a good woman - or a pleasurable experience - you must remember that any girl could be the sweetie you want and treat them with as accordingly, while at the same time remembering your hurtful experience and keeping you guard up.

Uh, guys, please don't hate women. Women are lovely. I don't want this thread turning into a bash-all-females fest.

IMO, "hating women" is a waste of time, just like women "hating men". Who cares?

Today, the girl who was once in love with me basically admitted that she hates my personality and does not like me. I acted like a total AFC. She's like a fucking dude; assertive, take charge, and merciless. She's just like me, but in female form; I am my own weakness; she's more take-charge than I am. Two arrogant souls clashing
is a recipe for death.

I posted this in relationships because that is my weak point at this time: Fostering a relationship. I am a fucking angry douchebag; I still get attention from girls, but deep inside; I hate them.

I hate them because I know they don't like me, Rune. They like my SWAG. They like my attitude. They like my alpha. They like my skill. If they liked me, would I really need this PUA crap?

I think I'm losing myself, or evolving. I am becoming the jerk, but in the wrong way.

...what can I do to foster relationships with these women while still maintaining swag?

Rune doesn't sound like a misogynist (correct spelling). Most misogynists are cowards who are scared of the limited power women can have over them. He sounds exactly like what he says, an AFC. It sounds like he's putting on a great act to get sexual validation from women, but at the end of the day, he's disappointed because they like the act and don't even see him. His game isn't congruent with the player. This makes him an AFC because he's willing to act like someone he doesn't even like for female attention.

Rune, if you want a relationship, then attract a woman with your game and quickly start dropping the pretenses. A lot of girls will lose interest because maybe you're not as entertaining or sexually charged, but the ones that DON'T lose interest, will be the ones that are viable for a relationship. If you're afraid that NO women will stick around if you drop your game, then that's a good sign of insecurity, isn't it? Obviously, you work on being a better man in that case.

The real you should be as good as your game and, ideally, inseparable from it. This is what works for me, when I'm trying to attract a woman, I don't do magic tricks or dress like a weirdo, I only offer myself. If it doesn't work out, then she wasn't attracted to me and I don't take that personally. It's not my goal to attract every woman I see. But when it does work out, I have zero doubt that she's attracted to me, not my game, because I don't really have any.

Rune, I would recommend dropping canned routines completely. I would continue to use the psychology of the Mystery Method but combine it with situational openers. Get a girl to talk about topics you care about, not just stuff you'll listen b.c you want to fuck her. Find a common interest or topic and have a INTELLECTUAL conversation with this girl, it is way a vetting them - if they can't hold and adult conversation about something relatively intelligent you prob dont want to date them. You'll find you opinion of women will change when you confidently act like yourself and they like you just the same, but w/o the gimmicks and tricks designed to sell books.

I hear you guys, and I'm thankful for the replies.

But, in all truth, I just want to get my dick wet.
That's it.

Hobbit: I read that post Kasabi made (Kasabi, if you're reading this, thank you for typing that, and thank you for a hrefing it Hobbit.). I may just be a Misogynyst.

The girl I was talking to...I treated her like SHIT. I abused her emotionally, I commanded her, I pushed her to her limits...and she's had it. I never thought she would go off and say "I DON'T FUCKING LIKE YOU, OR YOUR PERSONALITY. WE'RE NOT EVER GOING TO TALK AGAIN!!! YOU'RE A CHILD, AND A FUCKING COWARD! GROW UP, AND GROW A PAIR OF BALLS!

I know who I am. I am a purely academic genius; one with creative aptitude and a very knowledgeable insight on history. I'm afraid no girl will like that.

I honestly think all girls are solely interested in drug-addict, jerkoff, asshole, piece of shit douchebags with no future ahead of them. It hurts. No one likes the nerd. I am a nerd, and I accept it (I love history), but, I'm not a drug abusing badass, or a fighter, or a jock (I did do wrestling and track & field in high school), but I'm no captain or super athlete.

I just want pussy, and I want acceptance. I want people to respect me for me, and not for my act. I'm shaken up a bit now, but I'm back to normal now, but it hurt when she told me that.

Not sure what to do...

I hear what you're saying, but honestly it makes no difference whether you're a jock, nerd or whatever. I'm most likely what you would call a jock, really into sport and gym and I'm physically big. On the other end of the spectrum though, I am a nerd. I can talk about computers, electronics, psychology, linguistics and other "nerd-like" subjects for hours on end. In fact I have to limit the amount of "big words" I use so I don't come across as pompous.

However, I've come to believe is that a girl's preference of male companionship is largely based on societies current trends. A few years ago the big rugby playing guys were all the rage for girls. Now it seems this skinny jean wearing emo/indie bullshit is what it's all about. And don't even get me started on the resurgence of the mullet... The point is that society dictates a lot of what is popular, and most of it quite simply sucks.
It seems to me like you are hiding your entire personality and letting the "act" define you. Perhaps you should slowly drop the act and reveal aspects of your true personality over time.

Dude possibly because you are objectifying women as sex objects could possibly be the cause of your problems to make a connection with them.
How about changing your objective for a few weeks, concentrate on your inner game. Approach women just to talk to them rather to have sex with them. I know you may disagree with me but women are fascinating creatures and that premise is well backed up just by talking to them.

Sure, it is blatantly true that there are some women out there that will break our hearts however I don't think that reason is enough to make a generalization. If so, it's definitely a false generalization and by doing so we could create a very closed minded subjective view on women. I'm sure somewhere inside you, your logic (if not emotions) are telling you that all women are not the same because as you said yourself, you love them.. you just can't find the skill to create strong rapport with them.
Lets think of this like an athlete training for the Olympics, an athlete must be well trained in different forms of fitnesses right? If he/she is lacking in one area then the trainer will focus on improving that area to be the best they can be for the Olympic event. The venusian art works in the exact same way, we have a lot of areas that we are good at but there are some areas that need improving on. We need to work on these areas to become the best PUA we can for the social gathering event.

So what I'm advising here is that we take a step back from PU altogether and use your creative aptitude to go to an area where you will find women with the same interests and simply talk to them about that area. That way you will improve on that specific area of creating rapport with women and if there are any fears, they should be subdued if not gone. Talk to them about yourself and their selves, we human beings love to talk about ourselves it's what we feel is the most fascinating topic of all because we are all different. You don't even need to pick them up just basically talk to them.

I don't think your a Misogynyst mate I just think you need to improve in inner game and creating a connection with women. This community has helped me so much with success with women and I feel like I should devote a lot of time to help others like myself who were once in the same position.

I wish you good luck my friend.
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rune, maybe you actually need some girls in the friendzone

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very good points here