Hey guys.

I've been hanging around here for a bit and I noticed that A LOT of people are mentioning that girls "test" us with what many like to believe are "shit tests". There has got to be some other way to think about this. It annoys the crap out of me when guys think that girls are dicking with them when the girl asks a personal question. It is very counter-intuitive to think, "Oh my god! She just shit tested me... what the @$$ am I gonna do?" Relax...

Back when I was learning about cocky/funny when I first started with the community years ago, I thought "shit tests" were a big deal. Now that I am no longer AFC, I realize having that mindset really fucks up your game. I test girls all the time. I qualify them ALL the time. You want to put the pressure on her too. You create tension and you release it (preferably in a big wad of money shot). How? By flirting with her. Make the interaction fun and flirty, but still have in the back of your mind the thought "is this girl fuckable/LTR material?" This takes the pressure off of you and evens it out a bit. Remember, YOU are the "prize". Thanks for reading. Feel free to respond if you like.

-Chicoman

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^Agree

Also read Swinggcat.

I have no idea why, but Real World Seduction is the only PU book I ever come back to. And to this day, I still find myself checking up on it every 2-3 months. His stuff on shit tests is a great amalgamation of theory & application.

Indeed. When starting out I used to try to AVOID shit tests because it seemed so hard.
But the thing is if you don't fuck up and pass all the tests, it's lot of times the only thing you need to do to get her attracted.
Swinggcat explains really well how to pass the tests, and you don't need memorized lines if you understand the concept of not answering the test in the same frame.

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"Their compliance is,
'Does she grab your hand?' F*ck you! I want to grab her mind. If I can
grab her mind, she'll be grabbing whatever I want, any way I want her to." - Ross Jeffries

Yep.

There is a final dimension to add that I didn't think was worth mentioning at the time. But, here it is.

Once you start becoming fully natural and internalising PU behaviour, so that it is at the identity level; so that you are congruent with yourself; so that you know and show what you want without trying to hide it; so that you are natural -

you'll find that girls stop shit testing you. They don't need to test someone like that.

Remember, if you game her, she will game you. At one point in your PU career, it might just click, that you can stop gaming and just be who the fuck you are - and she will stop testing you, and be who the fuck she is.

If you closely watch the journey and the development of many so called 'gurus', their journey and style of pickup closely resembles this. Two very different examples spring to mind - both Tyler Durden in his later stuff (blueprint etc) and In10SE in his later stuff talk about gaming in this manner. Just dropping the bullshit and allowing her to be herself by allowing you to be yourself.

So, let's take this talk to the field and look at an example. In the past, I might have responded to the following shit test in this manner (yes there are a million ways to answer it, that's not the point):

HB: "Are you gay?"
Rafiel: "More gay than you'll ever be!"

(Actually I don't think Swingcat teaches agree & exaggerate, I don't know who did. I still prefer Swingcat's methods anyway).

Nower days, I'd just ignore or laugh at it and carry on, or if the situation requires a full response, I'll just hold her and be like:

Rafiel: "Hey, relax, we're just chilling out."

Or something like that. And that shit just comes from inner game. It's not a technique or routine to deal with shit tests. Shit tests aren't even on my radar any more. It's as if my mind doesn't process them because I have already internalised the fact that all chicks will love me if they don't already.

It's almost like talking to a little kid. As if they're being immature by talking in that way. You tell them once to stop it as I did above and you won't get it much more. If you allow shit tests into your reality you'll get them. But it's not really part of my reality (without being too definitive).

Of course, you can never wipe em out completely, and if varies with how your game and state is going. Besides, shit tests are fun opportunities to raise your value by easily passing them!

Note ^ everything I've just talked about is probably for people who are already very good at picking up women. When just starting out or in the middle stages, I still think using shit test techniques is important and useful.

Girl: Hey david, you're a creeper.
David: Ew did you just fart?

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Whatever you do, just don't take those 'shittest' personal.

I will add a bit to hobbits answer.

What if the shit test is sneaky and designed to out you as a PUA.
So she can blow you off. (if that is her plan IF IF)

You win the test YOU LOSE.

basically Hobbits answer is correct.
But beware of the clever women who likes shit tests and has designed a few that only PUA'S will pass thus outing them and exposing them to the set.

Don't know why i post this type of stuff but it seemed to me it needed to be said.

Sometimes by failing a shit test, or sneaky question BETTER RESULTS happen.

A friend of mine has just lately been exposed to this a lot.

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Its all to easy.

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There are four levels of thought.
1) Autopilot (tick tock getting things done, pick up the laundry ect.)
2) Metaprograms for social interaction. (ie bitch shields, shit tests)
3) Internal comparing metaprograms. (What you’re familiar with; the past that you base your world on)
4) Subconscious suggestibility. (Establishing new likes and dislikes)

So these are the foundation thought process that all “the game” models are based on. For instance the classic opener “hey can I get a female opinion?” Is meant to illicit an autopilot response. “Sure” You add a time constraint “I have to get going in a second but,” anticipating her inner thoughts on level 2. Some random girl relation ship story, activating level three. Only then can the DHV work on the level 4 suggestibility. It’s pretty simple stuff and advertisers have been doing it to you for years.

So when you don’t get a “bitch shield” or a “shit test” it’s because you have conformed to her prior experiences and expectations about the world. Nothing more.

So to sum it up no shit test = pussy on a golden platter.

But the worlds not that simple all the time.

Aaron4Prez

no no i do agree that she is shit testing you because she is attracted but you don't fit any of her old patterns.

however it is not game on just yet. I have never ever gotten a it's ON vibe from a girl who is shit testing me and I've definitely never gotten DDB eyes from one. So I wouldn't say it's pussy on a platter. Still a lot of work to do to get to the ON stage.

-R

It's best to just ignore and plow. Shit tests area form of IOI's. She wants to make sure that you're not a beta chode.

Shit tests do not exist in my reality. This is the way to go. Ignore and plow. Why?

Because it is irrelevant in the big picture of emotional chemistry and sex.

Acknowledging a shit test, responding to it trying to "win" it, is fail. It serves no purpose but the girl just trying to gain some sort of control over the frame. She wants to see how much you care about little useless shits that come out of her mouth.

The guy above me nailed it.

To elaborate on it, when a girl says cruel nasty shit to me, I only interpret as, "Wow she really wants to fuck me". You may call this arrogance/ignorance/oblivious to the social situation and may say I lack social intuition. This is all false though.

When a girl invests a "shit test" on you, it's just another indicator that she wants to fuck. Ignore it. Don't let her know you want to fuck you. Try and get her to "shit test" you more.

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i think the best way to respond to a shit test if you can't think of a quick comeback is just a knowing smirk. like, "wow, you're so insecure you have to rip into others... that's sad." but NOT verbalised. just a brief facial reaction. NOT angry but amused. before moving the conversation on. also making her jump through your hoops, like "i'm not into girls that are bitchy and fake, i want someone a litle more self-assured and real." again, not verbalised, but through body language and facial expression.

ahhh, something I love talking about...


Reacting to a "shit test" = Failing a shit test.


I don't mean by this you have to ignore it, but if you seem emotionally budged, even if slightly, by what the person says, they will see it got to you. In flirting with a girl, this will heavilyyyyy effect what attraction was there as it shows she affects you way too easily, and you can't handle her.


Also, I've had to slap a few guys for whining to me that some girl was 'shit testing' them. "wahhh wahh, dude do you see that, why's she being so horrible, why's she being such a bitch, she keeps shit testing me".

She is NOT "shit testing" you!!!

About 80%(random number ) of the time guys think a girl is 'shit testing' them... all she is doing is this lovely wonderful thing called BANTERING.

Bantering is one of the best things you can hope for in an interaction with a chick, why, because bantering more often than not = FLIRTING. It's simply playful teasing back and forth... if you can play together without you getting offended, or feeling threatened or challenged, even if she 'wins', then you will be in a good place with that chick. If you clearly don't care about her 'winning', then all is good. If you seem a little bothered about her being slightly quicker, snappier, or wittier than you, then you wil be in a shit place.

Examples of common "shit tests"(:roll:) with some useful responses as follow...

Girl: I don't like guys who smoke... (can be used as a little 'shit test', or trying to make you qualify)

Me: I think it's about time I started smoking.




Girl: Are you like gay or something?

Me: only for you, babe *kissy lips*


The above two examples, are ones that will kill her "shit test" where it stands, and *can* turn it into something playful, but usually the above examples are when girls are actually trying to be a bit awkward. They work well 'cause they essentially mock her crap, and show you don't really take her bullshit seriously. (In a playful way - no point being a dick, as that would show you get affected too much emotionally)


NOTE: The simpler your 'response' to a "shit test", the better! Anything over complicated is trying way tooo hard, and shows you wayyy too bothered by what she's saying, and too much need to 'win'.


A very useful tip for being able to stand your own in bantering/"shit tests", is try as little as possible to defend yourself, or to try and prove the opposite. Doing so will only show you're trying to prove yourself, which is lame. So roll with it and hit from a different angle. I think a veryyy good time to do this, would be when someone says something that you don't have a witty comeback/counter for immediately, you just agree with it and add to it... for example;
Girl: Yh, but I bet you probably have a tiny dick...
Me: Yeah, and I'm gonna fuck you in the ear with it.
^^this stops you from mainly appearing insecure, which is a high risk when girls joke about dick size.

Another useful tip would be; Don't be afraid to let her win from time to time. Being able to let her 'win' and not being upset about it, shows her a lot of things, 1) -most importantly- shows you're not insecure. 2) shows you're happy to let her be a little free and not some control freak who needs to always be right. 3) Shows you can admit when you're wrong without feeling all shamed and miserable.


Girl: *witty response/beat you/you let her win/you found it funny/whatever*

Me: Haha, nice! / You're learning well / Damn bish /Ahh, you're starting to impress me

It usually makes them smile for you to happily let them win/praise them for saying something witty now and then.



If a bitch ever snaps at you a bit;

Me: oooh, fiesty! / You're cute when you get mad / Yeah bitch get angry *sexual grin etc*

Don't get angry/mad at her for her shit tests, it's best to be unjudging as a lot of the time, no matter how spiteful a girl may seem, she likely deep deeeep down, doesn't really want to be horrible. If she sees you see that, you'll be in a good place.


I reallyyyyyyyyyy could go on forever about this topic, as it seems to be my most favourite part of the whole flirting 'stage'. Most of you probably don't have a clue towards who I am, but I am confident in saying I almost have this whole shit test/banter thing down to an art. It's been a major part of the majority of my interactions since I was but a lickle bwoy.


I've given really basic/crap examples here deliberately, as I'm showing you the coreee principle behind each one. I can't teach you to be funny or witty, but hopefully have given a small foundation of how to be very suave in banter/"shit test" situations.




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Finesse...same Finesse from dallaspua?

anyhow I think that you are referring to is cocky/funny banter (flirting). a shit test is wayyyyy different.

example:

approach a group
PUA:quick female opinion...
HBAlpha:(rolls eyes)what?! why are you even talking to us? do you know us?

if you have never encountered one of these sets...then your targets are tooo easy.

Anyway if it is the same Finesse nice to see you around bro.

-R

Different Finesse. (:





1) Same thing, just tell her you find it cute, or you like her assertiveness, or whatever.

2) Your "targets" should NOT be 'hard'. If you have any finesse, you'd have ways of getting into interactions with as little as these harsh knockbacks as possible.



I dunno, perhaps to you 'pick up' is a game, and you play by attacking 'hard' "targets". I understand why you enjoy the challenge, I used to go chat up chicks from the most difficult of situations. But it's not necessary to go for 'hard targets', why would you make things hard on yourself?



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