Have been at a networking conference all week and one thing i discovered was that winning over a group of people and making attraction to the females in the group, is not about how much you DHV yourself, but about how interesting and intelligent your story is.

I have a couple of cool stories i tell. This one went down REALLY well, especially with the girl in the group surprisingly who i ended up sleeping with.

"The problem with places like this. Is that when there arent women around , a lot of men dont know how to release their testosterone, and they end up in trouble. For example....
The Korean war, the soldiers had hookers on tap, literally in their lunch break. Same with the El Salvador war in the 1980s. The problem with the current war is that men can not have any contact with women, and that is why they are going insane over there"

You can then go into how men dont understand women enough, or have enough female friends and take it where you want to. The main things you are demonstrating is a fresh opinion on situations and that knowledge. I still cant put my finger on why this worked so well. Straight after this story i went into talking about how men in other countries have more than one wife, and the more i got the guys on side, the more the girl was locked into me.


This is another really good story that i bring out sometimes.

You know , attraction is a funny thing. Its not straightforward. They did an experiment in Denmark on Grouse. They had a stuffed grouse and a real grouse on opposite sides of a room. The stuffed grouse had other female stuffed grouse around him. The real grouse was on his own. When they let the female Grouse into the room, and it was mating season by the way! When they let them into the room, they all descended on the stuffed grouse, JUST because he already had female grouse around him. Thats a mind blower right!


My point is that you dont HAVE to directly DHV yourself, you just need an interesting opinion or story on something that demonstrates you are a knowledgable , interesting guy. And if you do that at the right time, it can make you the most interesting guy in the group.

So does anyone else have any cool stories that they can share?

I'd say that showing you are interesting/knowledgeable -is- DHV. I don't think you need to redefine your stories, just expand your understanding of DHV to include them.

Mystery advocates that the two subjects that most interest girls are social mechanisms, especially attraction/relationship mechanisms, and the unknown. Talking about the soldiers as you did is discussing a sexual/psychological situation that girls really tend to get into.

I like to talk to girls about attraction mechanisms in ways that don't reveal anything about PUA. I'll tell them about some IOIs, call them out on their girl-coding, discuss the evolutionary significance behind female behavior... I justify my knowledge of this stuff by having lived with my mother and two sisters growing up.

Girls will also really get into philosophical discussions on ethics and spirituality, unless they're really religious and don't want to have their beliefs jeopardized by doubt. I'm not so much into this because I can't help but call them out on every fallacy and it gets frustrating for them.

And uptil now what were you thinking DHV is all about !! It isn't bragging about yourself, it is about conveying that you are more than a regular guy (knowledgable, interesting, etc etc....) But I'm glad that you realised this now.

Defs bro. So are you going to contrubute an interesting story?

First off, you do have to DHV yourself; this is the goal. Whether you decide to do this by bragging about yourself or by conveying that you are more than a regular guy or by telling some random stories are differences in methodology.

Second, accomplishing the above is the first stage of DHV. If you end it there, you're still just a story telling clown. - There is no objective and no connection with the audience.

See if you can make some connections with the story below and PU:

I'm pretty proud of my academic accomplishments in business school but I didn't exactly achieve it through my own merit. Just about every class involves "Team Projects" and your team's grade IS YOUR grade. So my goal in every class was to assemble the best team possible. It's worthy to note that nearly everybody I've seen in all those classes either chose students that they already knew or the students who were sitting next to them. Here's what I did:

For every class, I took notes on the brightest minds of that class. So if we were in finance, I focused my attention on the guy who worked in securities for 20 years or the guy who runs his own hedge fund. If we were in operations, I focused my attention on the guy who leads a manufacturing floor or is involved with with logistics. It's simple . . . go after the best guy, gain knowledge, and score the A.

After the professor gave us the green light to form our teams, I would literally jog over to the guys who were on top of my list. Open, introduce myself, verify their competence and expertise. Then I DHV'd. I'd advertise my skill set . . . what I've done and what I can do FOR THE TEAM. I'm not a finance expert, I'm not a operations expert . . . but I can write effectively and I can write fast. With their professional guidance, I'd produce presentations, essays, and plans before other groups finished their draft. . . and in many instances, before they finished taking notes.

This was my sales pitch. They always bought it. We always scored A's. Eventually, others students began jogging towards me with their sales pitch.

Mate, i may have misread this but i think i have missed the point of what you are saying, could you elaborate?

cheers

^Let's wait a few days to allow other members to figure out if this story has anything to do with their individual game. I'll elaborate my views later on.

Alright then, it's been a few days, and I'd like an explanation as well, please

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There is a fine line between educating and being patronising, and this thread is running a tightrope for me at the moment, and im losing interest.
I get that people need to figure stuff out for themselves, but that story is so ambiguous that you can take several meanings from it, and im not sure where he is going with it.

Sorry . . . as Hobbit already wrote, I had hoped that forum members would try to work on this on their own. It's really not that ambiguous at all . . .
In addition:
A = reward. In terms of PU, this would be the F close or the relationship right? And like the A in Business school, you can't achieve an F close or a relationship on your own, you need the compliance/agreement of others.
This is generally what happens in the real World right? Average guys usually gain relationships with girls who are simply around them all the time or with girls that they are introduced to or with girls that they have known for a while. How about that gorgeous girl who crosses your path all of the sudden? Why not go after her?

That's what the below is all about. We KNOW what we like. We KNOW what we want. Demonstrate your value and you can get anybody to happily "work with you". This is merely the open. Go grab them before some average guy grabs my supermodels merely because they're sitting next to them: The above is the meat of the matter. So what if I stood in front of them and told them that I was a decent writer? If you finish your DHV 'story' and it's rather easy for anybody to tell you, "SO WHAT?" or even "that's cool", you've done nothing. The point of the DHV in terms of pick up is to ATTRACT others to us. It's got to be COMPELLING. What can your High Value do for the person standing in front of you?

You see this ALL THE TIME here . . .

"I am sexy." . . . "I am adventurous." . . . "I have done this" . . . "I have done that". . . "Isn't it so interesting that red wine is like this and white wine is like that?"

So the fucking what boy?

What will any of your chest beating do for a girl? If you're soooo sexy, why the hell aren't you turning her on and getting her wet? If you're soooo adventurous, why aren't you using this sense of adventure to whisk the girl away on an adventure? Why not at least include her into your "stories" of adventures? If you have 'done this and done that', why not utilize those experiences to somehow benefit the person standing in front of you? COMPEL her to be attracted to you.

What I did in school was to compel others (far smarter than me) to work with me. I didn't just show them "value", I gave it to them. Working with me meant A's for half of their effort. This is a compelling sales pitch.

Don't lose focus. The goal really isn't the DHV, it's merely a tool. We're not in this game for a pat on the back or a round of applause. The idea is to score the A. Compel them to "work" with you.

Cool. Firstly, apologies. Im getting to understand that you guys get a lot of demanding questions, to stuff that you have probably answered hundreds of times.
So by letting us figure out stuff, its better for everyone in the long run.

So you are saying that you should use DHV stories as a way of including the girl in them. I work in Music and TV for example and i always have trouble DHVing because whatever i say, always sounds like bullshit, celebs i know etc.

So if i talked to them about how i got to where i am through hard work and passion, and identified what their aspirations are, and identified with mine, that would be DHVing?

I could be on the wrong track here, but thats the point right, trying to solve the puzzle myself.

Cheers

There's really no right or wrong here but this is the way it's worked for me:

If you're using YOUR talents/skills/experience to DHV, you'd want to express to the person who is standing in front of you how these things can positively influence her life. (In my business school example, I expressed to others that my writing skills could help them earn A's)

It could work something like:

Her: What do you do?
You: Something with music and TV. Hey, are you into ______? (specific band or TV show)

Her: Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
You: (If no) Oh, never mind. They(band) or She(specific celeb) sometimes throw(s) a mean party and I thought you might like to go.
You: (If yes) Hey, they pay me shit but sometimes I get backstage passes. You might like it.

The idea here isn't to make specific promises. The idea is to raise her emotions and get her fantasizing about being with a guy who can make a positive impact on her life. You'd stack a few of these and start gaming her sexually. What you're doing is taking her heightened emotions and focusing them towards you.

No need to get too complex and talk about their aspirations unless you're a social worker, psychologist, or a guidance counselor.

I feel like some people put so much thought and work into their dhvs they sound robotic, just make sure youre basing them on real life so they flow better