Short version of the story is Ive been gaming this HB7 the past 3 weeks. The first 3 times I saw her it was mostly fluff talk, I didnt use any routines, or negs (werent needed), although I used some DHV stories, and did some light teasing. Anyways, the 4th time I saw here I got the #-close.

Called her 2 days later, but no answer. The next day I getta text saying shes outta town, and we texted a bit back n forth that day. A few nights later she texted me asking about something, but didnt go much further than that. Then the following night (this last Sunday evening) I texted her when I was drunk asking her if she wanted to do something. She rejected but said she would like to do something tommorow (yesterday).

So last night I gave her a call and I met up with her at Tim Horton's for an Ice Capp (she didnt get anything). Anyways, we literally sat there and talked non stop for 2 1/2 hours straight. I was getting sub-conscious IOI's from her like several hair touches, and her leaning in (I leaned back the whole time) etc, but I cant remember getting any real verbal IOI's. I tried my best to DHV during the convo, but I felt I slipped into AFC mode because looking back she said alot of things where I could've used to transition into routines, or other canned materials that would DHV me. Another big problem was that I couldnt really kino at all based on how we were sitting, and it doesnt help that I have really kino'ed her much at all since I met her.

The biggest problem I feel Im having is the escalation part. Comfort has clearly been built, I just really need to escalate into a sexual relationship but I dont know how to go about it. I know I have to get her isolated somewhere, but I dont know how to do it based on several circumstances which restrict me. 1) I cant take her back to my place. 2) I doubt ill be able to go back to her place unless Im invited. She lives alone with her dad right now, and im pretty sure hes protective so I doubt it'll happen. 3) The town Im living in right now (which is not my hometown, only been here 2 months) is really small, and theres not alot to do, I dont know the "lay of the land" that well so I have no idea where id take her to escalate.

Anyways, theres my dilemna right now. I feel like im close to the LJBF zone. I know there has to be some sort of interest from her right now, but I dont think I can go much longer without escalating before I hear the LJBF line. So any help on my sitaution would be greatly appreciated.

She probably doesn't think that you like her in the sexual relationship kind of way. In the very near future you are going to have to tell her that you like her, and what you like about her (energy, outlook, personality, smile...). Try to k-close her after that or set up a picknick date.

What I would do is take her for a camp out on the beach on a clear night with some blankets (assuming there is a beach and it isn't freezing cold out) and if it's secluded enough go for the f-close. Chicks dig that stuff, under the stars with waves crashing nearby. But be creative, there are more places to close than at someone's house.

I think thats where Im fucking up, im getting good body language n a few IOI's but im not giving out any real SOI's...so ill give it a shot I guess. Cant really do the beach sorta stuff where Im at right now because there is no beach anywhere near here, and its pretty cold out. And besides something really creative like that, my options are really thin. Im stumped.

anyone else have any ideas of what I should do? I havent heard from her since that night (Monday night), and I havent texted or called her either...what should my next move be anyone?

Hindsight is 20/20 . . . well, for me anyways, this is clear. You played a poor game RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING and you're still afc'ing this game to death.


Hey, don't get me wrong. I'm all about the slow game and conservative usage of negs but 3 weeks?? You basically turned yourself into a harmless eunuch by fluffing for 3 straight weeks. You can't possibly still think that "negs weren't needed". The point of negging is not to avoid crash and burn. The point of negging is to escalate ATTRACTION. You neg to force hb's to QUALIFY themselves to you. You neg to keep them on their toes . . . to keep them challenged. Instead, you played the role of a gay guidance counselor.


No, no! You don't let a girl use you for a chit chat garbage can. There is no back and forth. She starts going off into some crap and you say, "Hey, I have to get back to ______, I'll call you back." Even if SHE starts this crap you should be cutting it off right away but you've been INITIATING this crap. Stop now. Stop with her and stop doing this with anybody, including men. They will waste your life away with meaningless chatter.
Never, ever call a chick when your drunk . . . especially if she is not. Your game is bad enough when you're sober. What the heck is "something"? Does "something" interest you? Women want romance. They want fantasies. They want adventure. "Something" is what a John asks a hooker to do in some shady back alley.


Holy mother of God, here we go again . . .
These are most definitely and absolutely NOT IOI's. I wouldn't be surprised by now if she picks her nose right in front of you. What she is doing is what ever the hell she wants to do in front of you because well . . . she can . . . She'll never get a kiss. She'll never get jumped on . . . she'll never hear you say a bad thing about her.


Dude . . . are you kidding? "Close" doesn't begin to describe the situation you're in. You began this relationship in LJBF and you've dug this hole so freaking deep, I wouldn't be surprised if this girl dumps you even as a "friend" for being so damn boring.

Yeah . . . it's harsh but if you were my real life friend, I would have given you a kick in the ass. The reason I'm being harsh? . . . You seem to think you have game. You do not. Learning a "kino" trick isn't going to help you out. You need an overhaul of your game. You need to find someone in real life who can take you under his wing and show you the steps. Unless you can admit to yourself that you need some serious help, you will continue to lie to yourself and think, "Well, maybe this kino thing will help me out . . maybe this opener will help out my game . . ."

In regards to this girl, pull out. You're done. Get out of there. Even her friends won't ever find you attractive because she'll tell all of them that you're her "best guy friend". Could substitute "guy" for "gay".

The steps:

1. Stop calling her. If she calls, wait for her first, "blah, blah, blah." and answer with, "Hey, I'm in the middle of _____ can I call you back?" - Then don't call her back. Ever. . .

2. Read and study this game. Read this forum. Read the field reports. Take some classes. Creative writing, oral presentation, drama, etc . . . Consider taking one of those seminars.

3. Game hb's. Go to bookstores, ice cream shops, bars, clubs, whatever. You know how it feels to trap yourself into the "LJBF" corner. When you feel yourself creep into similar situations, pull the fuck out and begin on another set. Self evaluate.

4. Pick up a cool ass hobby or a sport. You need one. You need something that you're very good at. You need something that will make you shine in the eyes of others. Be proud of yourself! Man, you played the role of a doormat for pussy. This is very, very bad. You are NOT ANYBODY'S doormat. Chicks know doormats. They don't fuck doormats. Most importantly, the do not RESPECT doormats. Additionally, men do not respect doormats.

Thanks Kasabi for ripping me a new asshole, although it was pretty much unnecesarry because I know that I screwed up from the beginning, and that there really is not much to salvage here, so ive already decided to stop gaming this broad.

I can sit here and defend myself and make excuses for the mistakes I made in this sarge but theres no point, cuz it doesnt change the fact that I fucked up. But I dont regret doing what I did, because its another learning experience of "what the fuck not to do".

As far as your steps are concerned...

1. I havent called or texted or attempted to make any contact with her since the night I last saw her which was a week today

2. Since the town im in is really small, and completely lacks of good looking girls, I have been studying, and reading material n FRs every single day.

3. Gaming HB's right now is just hard based on where I am living right now.

4. The only reason I met this broad, and am stuck in the town I am right now is because I play a high level cool ass sport which is a huge DHV.

But I appreciate alot of the shit you said because in alot of ways your right. Except for when you say I dont have game. I do have game, and have come along way from when I started. This broad was my first sarge in 2 months (because of the situation im in) so give me a fucken break haha. The good news is I do have a wing now, that became my wing just before I left home. Unfortunately for the next few months I can only get his advice, and cant game in person.