I get the quote.

It's true that many women do enjoy a true masculine presence in the bedroom. Usually, we don't get guys who are forceful enough in that department. Men are raised by women to "not hit girls" and to "respect women." Which is all true and all of you shouldn't hit girls and you should respect women. However, it's translated to a lacking alphaness.

The thing is... I've heard women say they have "safe rape" fantasies. That disturbs me. The word "rape" disturbs me. Rephrasing it into maybe "every woman loves a little power play." But it loses the meaning. I will tell you this too: I know men that dream about a little force-play performed ON THEM. I think it's our nature to have a little slave and master in all of us. It's just a matter of where we are on the scale at any given time.

Truth is: It holds validity for some women. I'm disturbed by the quote because I can see what Ian means. However, safe dominance is VASTLY different than saying "semi-rape."

Why does it hold validity for some women? I believe because we're taught that we have to be powerful, dominant, successful, beautiful, witty, in charge, confident.... and we become these hard-ass wicked super chicks. Women are brought up, nowadays, where we are never out of control. Even in the bedroom. Men just don't man up in there. They don't want to hurt us or push us, which is nice... but gets stressful.

In a recent study conducted by social psychologist Diana Sanchez, she gathered data to support her claim that when men are subconsciously reminded of sex they suppress dominant thought. She suggests, “[Men] may have internalized social mores prescribing respect for women’s sexual wishes:”

…Men first saw a sex related term (climax, oral) or a neutral term (table, brick) for a fraction of a second, then had to decide whether a string of letters was a real word. Subjets were slower to recognize words associated with dominance (coerce, fierce) as real words if they’d been primed with the sexy words than the neutral ones.

much to chew on.

Hardly an expert, but I am a woman so here goes:

Firstly, there are two completely different topics here. The first is "why do girls with LSE have sex when they don't really want to?". The second....difference between dominance/submission and rape fantasy.

--she thinks you are higher value and that saying no would lower her even more
--she feels worthless and doesn't care
--having sex with you gives her attention, which feels good at the time but really isn't what she is seeking deep down
--she was sexually abused in the past and sex is the only way she knows how to relate to people
--she was abused by her parents and doesn't feel comfortable saying "no" to authority figures (which you as a guy evoke)

Who do you think you are?

You're not the girl's shrink, you're not her daddy, you're not her guru. You're the guy swinging his boner back and forth from her face, telling her, "You like that? Yeah . . . Look how pretty you are . . ." You're there to get your dick sucked. Attempting to "treat" her is the violation here. Who made you the diagnostics expert? What makes you think she "wants it", "doesn't want it", "might want it", "could want it", "should want it", "shouldn't want it", "little bit wants it", "maybe if I tickle her clit, will want it". Look, SHE IS ON HER KNEES SUCKING COCK. Sit back and relax. Stroke her hair a bit. Offer some gentle words of encouragement . . .

Just be a good you.

On the other hand, if you want to "treat" girls, go get yourself an education in psychology and set up shop. . .

Just in case some of you didn't know . . . Psychology is a real academic/scientific/medical discipline. . . you know, with text books, fancy looking professors, research and everything.

Don't you read this forum once in a while? The kids here cry over girls who forget to text them. You're not seriously asking these KIDS to JUDGE what is good or bad for another human being? You think you have the ability/sense to JUDGE whether sex is good for a particular girl? This is some seriously deranged egotistical bullshit.

Just be the best person you can be. For most around here, this means take your thumb out of your mouth and stay in school.

Badolzn thought he was a rational and reasonably understanding adult. . .

--she thinks you are higher value and that saying no would lower her even more
--she feels worthless and doesn't care
--having sex with you gives her attention, which feels good at the time but really isn't what she is seeking deep down
--she was sexually abused in the past and sex is the only way she knows how to relate to people
--peer pressure
--doesn't want to hurt your feelings by saying no and creating conflict
--she's horny, acts on impulse which, given a day or two to think about it, she would undo
--she's read this forum, broke up with her boyfriend and is now trying to GFTOG
--she was abused by her parents and doesn't feel comfortable saying "no" to authority figures (which you as a guy evoke)
--she wants to be accepted
--she has a poor body image, which is mitigated by having a guy desire her physically
--she's inexperienced

Who do you think you are?

You're not the girl's shrink, you're not her daddy, you're not her guru. You're the guy swinging his boner back and forth from her face, telling her, "You like that? Yeah . . . Look how pretty you are . . ." You're there to get your dick sucked. Attempting to "treat" her is the violation here. Who made you the diagnostics expert? What makes you think she "wants it", "doesn't want it", "might want it", "could want it", "should want it", "shouldn't want it", "little bit wants it", "maybe if I tickle her clit, will want it". Look, SHE IS ON HER KNEES SUCKING COCK. Sit back and relax. Stroke her hair a bit. Offer some gentle words of encouragement . . .

Just be a good you.

On the other hand, if you want to "treat" girls, go get yourself an education in psychology and set up shop. . .

Don't you read this forum once in a while? The kids here cry over girls who forget to text them. You're not seriously asking these KIDS to JUDGE what is good or bad for another human being? You think you have the ability/sense to JUDGE whether sex is good for a particular girl? This is some seriously deranged egotistical bullshit.

I'm not talking abouts some whingy kid, I'm talking about someone who is a rational and reasonably understanding adult.