This was originally posted as a response on a different forum, I've tried to neaten it up a bit, but forgive if the context is a little out...



I've always been the quick witted/quick response/clever insult guy out of my friends, they even tried getting me onto their side in arguments so that they could win over hte other person.

I also used a directly challenging/conflicting response which always twisted the original's words back on them.

Now, at the end of last year, I met a girl, who, anything she said, no matter what come back I had, it just never appeared to be enough, I just couldn't win.

This was new to me, I had never experienced this problem EVER! So I made it my quest to keep bantering with this chick until I found away to 'win' incase I ran into other people like her in the future...

Basically, it ended up coming down to as the original post says. I realised if I go with the persons insult, it automatically makes them lose their power, their insult now has no effect/weight in the interaction. Then you can twist it, flip it, add to it, send it back nicely packaged in any way you like.

Once I discovered this I was very pleased.


The example used was something like a guy saying "hey buddy, your t-shirt looks like a dog was sick on it''

I would suggest a response like "yeah and it smells like it too, I'm hoping it hides my b.o. here smell..."

(( this is where you agree with it, causing their insult to carry no weight, and show you can laugh at yourself. Is a very strong show of self confidence etc.))


You could just shrug it off and with a light wavy brushing/shooing hand gesture shake your head and turn away. But sometimes that isnt always the best way.


The way I see it, is the same with fighting/martial arts.

If someone was to push me, and I was to resist, if they are stronger than me, I will just be bowled over. And even if not, im expending energy(putting in effort) to resist them.
Now, if instead of resisting, I allow my body to move in the same direction, by MY choice, I stay in complete control of myself, whilst giving them nothing to push against, their force is removed. For them it is like pushing at air, they will feel their attack/force, no matter how strong, was just weak and pointless.

It's a very taoist concept too.

There's a story about a sage and his students going to a waterfall, and when they get there, they see a guy in the water, and know that these waterfalls are too powerful to swim in, and so think the guy is hurt/in trouble and go down to help him. When they get there, they discover he is fine. When questioned about how he managed to survive the strong currents and force of the waterfall, he explains how he did so by not fighting/resisting it, but going with it.

I explain it shit so a full version of the story can be found here...

http://www.taoism.net/living/2007/200702.htm

I hope all of the above is understandable and useful to people.

much love Smiley

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Jav: "bashing chodes 24/7 ftw"
Slywalker: "Neg the bagel"
Slywalker: "I had a 1yr old GF when I was 19"
SS_Trunks:I asked her for an extra pen, confidently....

Blueprint covered this a bit, in a different way.

amog: (haha, imma tool him) hey buddy, looks like a dog got all sick over your shirt
you: haha yeah, it smells like it too! SMELL IT!
amog: (guess i was just joking) haha


Nobody is willing to walk out a conversation thinking "I suck at tooling". You flip the tooling to joking and the amog will go for it for the sake of preserving his ego.

"That wasn't a dog actually that was your mum, she was pretty drunk at the time though, hey tell her I want my boxers back"

Then laugh as if joking, if he tries to fight you he has lost the AMOG battle!

this is very very weak imho. You've missed the point of the original post.

I could come up with a million spiteful/clever/witty/amazing/out of this world/OMGHOWDIDHECOMEUPWITHTHAT ego crunching comebacks, and could more than likely do so on the spot. But theres just no need, fighting back shows you feel you need to 'trump' the guy. And it just gets pointless and makes you look real petty. Seriously.

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Munroe: "I kinoed the hell out of that goat"
Jav: "bashing chodes 24/7 ftw"
Slywalker: "Neg the bagel"
Slywalker: "I had a 1yr old GF when I was 19"
SS_Trunks:I asked her for an extra pen, confidently....

Imo, don't post when you didnt get the point of the thread.

lol sorry I couldn't resist, I can see where you are coming from with the non reactiveness infact ive seen it used a few times.

In certain stuations.. would you ever favour a good comeback over a non reactive comment?

I mean ive seen guys get massive DHV from this, out witting there opponent.
Guess its the way you say them though like I have seen the ones that just look like a douchebag or a bully.

I have mega quick witted responses most of the time, but often it can be unecessary, I sometimes use it when its a very high tension situation, almost like there'll be very harsh words exchanged. But this just escalates things, I think this situation mainly comes down to who can keep their cool the most and shit. And who can remain the most mature without resorting to petty disses etc.

Theres a time and place for everything.

Sometimes, what can work best, is mixing the two... especially if someone trumps your diss with something you can't initially think of a comeback to, then just roll with it and add to it/flip it/return it etc. It's like a counter attack if you like.

So think of it this way, you can either stand their taking blows, exhanging blows, slipping them, or counter-attacking them. Or all of the aforementioned (if you like a good fight )


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Munroe: "I kinoed the hell out of that goat"
Jav: "bashing chodes 24/7 ftw"
Slywalker: "Neg the bagel"
Slywalker: "I had a 1yr old GF when I was 19"
SS_Trunks:I asked her for an extra pen, confidently....

Flinging poo back at the person does nothing but let the person know their insult worked on you. Its far better to disarm the insult every time.

I once read that agreeing and amplifying like that (e.g. "yeah it smells of dog sick too!") comes across as beta, and what's better is absolute dismissal of the guy by completely ignoring him - nothing is more crushing than to be ignored - or, at the most, saying something like "that's cute".

I don't know.
It's an interesting thread topic.

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What if your AMOG'd for being a virgin ? Has happened to me before and I went for the 'Ignore, act indifferent to the insult' approach.

I mean, if you use this concept, you'd be saying like :

"Yea I'm a virgin and I love it because ...."

1) It's a lie, nobody loves it
2) It's a DLV surely ? Being a virgin is not really a good thing for any potential targets to hear

Thanks guys.

Good thread!

The whole concept of withstanding these personal attacks is to be unaffected by it. That's how I see it.

There are multiple ways to achieve this. The "agree and amplifie" mentioned in this thread is just one of them.

Another powerful method goes like this.
AMOG attacks you - you look into another direction, doing a fake yawn followed by "I'm sorry, you said somehting?".

It all depends on the situation wich method to use. If a girl attacks/shit tests you, the "agree and amplifie" thing is very good.
HB: "I think you're a player" - You: "Shhhhh... don't tell anyone about it baby. Because I have an eye on that, that, that, that AND that girl over there!"

You can even qualify her right after she attacks you.
HB: "Jerk!" - You: "Aww, you're way too sweet to say something like that, you know that honey."
She'll immediately feel sorry about herself and wants to live up to your expectations of being a sweet polite girl.

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there is an interesting book called how to win an argument every time. I'll give you a short story about a man and a wife from the book as far as I can remember.

A man comes home from work and demands to have dinner ready, and tells his wife he wants to be alone, and that she should stop asking him questions when he gets home, and goes off on her.

The next day he doesn't call her and comes home at 2am after having drinks with his buddies. His wife is up and tells him leftovers are in the fridge but she's going to go to bed. He ask her "you're not going to ask me where I was, or what I was doing"

She responded "I'm sure you were busy with work, I know you would have called if you were going to be late for dinner if it wasn't something important"

His wife won the argument.

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Holy shit, dude... if your amogd by a dude for the fact your a virgy bite through it.

I'm a virgy cause, the last time my cock went out of my pants... greenpeace called me! I'm having a timeout from girls now... If they can handle a beast they can call me.

It's a pitty if somebody amogs you for your virginity. You can however loose it, being a asshole cant be lost after a single fuck .

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What I always used to say was (I lost mine a few weeks into being 18 - later than some) that I hadn't found a girl good enough for me, with a smile so they weren't sure whether I was joking or not. It's sort of cocky and funny and it worked for me!

The truth was that I was a loser who hadn't lost it as well as that - but others didn't think that!

Cheers for the advice guys, I quite like the idea of implying that whilst I can easily lose my virginity, one fuck won't make him any less of an arsehole

I was AMOG'd for it in front of a potential GF I was seeing ... she said to the guy "You're such an arsehole" I ignored his comment and carried on another conversation trying to seem un-affected - harder than it sounds, even when being unaffected, it's obvious you're ignoring it, which in itself shows it affects you lol.