Redefining AMOG



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 4:05 pm 
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I just want to add a little something in here pertaining to AMOG's, as there are a lot of them out there, and AMOGs have become a sticking point for me recently.

--------WHO ARE AMOGs?-----------


AMOGs are the guys that most girls want. They're usually very popular and have a high social status and very important social role not only within their own group but within the school as a whole because everybody looks up to them. I mean, most people do anyway. Not you, or you shouldn't, but I'll get to that.

The AMOG is the leader of the pack, the head honcho, the big guy who walks around with his chest out, cracking jokes, having a good time, yelling at kids as they pass by - to put it in terms of a PUA, he is 'establishing dominance among the group'. And, guess what? Women are attracted to them.

They may not utilize a lot of the tactics we PUAs learn and use on this forum and from books and what not, but the basis of attraction concepts is definitely present in the way they present themselves. Take any AMOG, and picture him in your mind. You know who I mean, there is almost always at least one classic 'AMOG' in every school. Alright, now that you have this guy pictured in your mind, let's do what we do best and analyze the shit out of him.

How does he walk? Probably not with his head tilted down and his eyes on the ground all the time. This guy is the leader, he's the dominant one. He'll stare you down if he has to, and he'll probably do it anyway just to show that he's the one on top. Eye contact - key principle here, we'll get back to that. He probably has a confident aura around him, meaning he's not afraid to say whatever he wants to say, and he says it despite the people around him. He's not there to please people, he's there to please himself and have a good time, and the people around him are there for the ride. They are attracted to him because of his confident aura and strong sense of reality and identity. He knows what he wants and he's not going to stop until he gets it. Again, this is key.

Not all AMOGs are douchebags. I want to get into more detail on this after, but let's clear that up right now. Douchebaggery is a common tactic among what most consider as 'AMOGs' because they use it to their advantage. If they see someone who seems weak or vulnerable, they will establish their dominance. But this shows a weakness in the AMOG - why would they need to establish dominance to someone who is clearly less dominant than them? Because they are insecure. A true 'AMOG' isn't a douchebag at all - he is just confident with himself and has a good sense of security, which brings me to my next topic...

------------REDEFINING AMOG----------------

AMOG has become a bad word among the community, because most of us have been victims to douchebags who think they rule the world and want to stomp out anyone who tries to get up beside them. These aren't AMOGs in the true sense of the word. Sure, they're alpha males of their own group, but to be truly 'alpha' you don't need to establish dominance among other people by putting them down, you only raise yourself up, which attracts other people to you and brings yourself up higher. You don't need to bully others if you are truly alpha.

There is a principle that's touched on a lot in the RSD seminars called 'reacting'. Tyler Durden talks about this a lot, and I really see a lot of value in it. Being 'AMOGged' is all about being reactionary. If you don't react, there is no problem.

Let's say there is some 'AMOG' in the common definition of the word and he is being a complete douchebag to you. He makes you feel like shit about yourself, takes down your self esteem, and overdoes the negs like no tomorrow. Basically, you feel like death after hes done with you. What do you do? Probably go cry in a corner until the party's over then go home and cry yourself to sleep while contemplating suicide. Maybe not that extreme, but something along those lines. Basically, it has the same effect as being rejected by a girl. You let it ruin your night. But you don't have to.

Why do you let it effect you? Because you think it has to effect you. You see this person as superior to you in some way, and thus you believe that their opinion of you has value and is valid, and therefore it is true. So, if he says you're a loser, or that you're ugly, or something along those lines, it must be true, and therefore you are a 'sack of shit with no friends and you should go die', right?

This is why we need to redefine AMOG, and take back the term 'alpha'. These guys are just douchebags that need to establish dominance by trying to sink other people way below their low level. A truly alpha person does the opposite - they raise themselves up, and because they enjoy the company of other people, others become raised up to their level with them, and thus feel positive, fun, good about themselves, and overall happy when they are in the presence of alpha people.

Convince yourself that if someone gives you negative feedback just for the sake of negative feedback, and just to be an asshole, their opinion has no value because they are doing so only because they are insecure themselves. I would say this is the case almost 100% of the time. Take pity on those that try to push you down, and be the alpha male by ignoring them. You don't want people like that in your social circle, they ruin the vibe, they taint the positive aura you are trying to emit. So, in the end, you need to not show that you are effected by what they have to say.

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Hey, good read.

How do you feel about multiple AMOGs in the same location? I know you mentioned that tearing down another person to uplift yourself is actually a negative display. What do you think is the proper way to uplift yourself?

I know there's stories, body language, etc. off the top of my head.


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Hey, good read.

How do you feel about multiple AMOGs in the same location? I know you mentioned that tearing down another person to uplift yourself is actually a negative display. What do you think is the proper way to uplift yourself?

I know there's stories, body language, etc. off the top of my head.
Thanks for reading, glad you liked it.

I've noticed that AMOGs tend to group together quite often and make a group full of alpha males. If you mean how would I deal with it, I would deal with a group of them the same way I would deal with one of them - ignore any negative emotions or feedback they throw out, but if it is positive by all means take it in. Don't fight fire with fire by being an asshole right back. If they are being nice to you, or acknowledging you in a positive way, acknowledge them. But don't go out of your way to try to impress them, which is what most are inclined to do at first.

The proper way to uplift yourself is not to push others down, which only creates the illusion that you have been lifted to a higher level, but to be comfortable with yourself, be confident, have a sense of direction and identity and don't be afraid to speak your mind. These are very broad topics, you can't just say "I'm going to be confident" and then be confident, there isn't a magic pill like that. For all of these methods, you have to look at the specifics, so I suggest looking at some other articles on this site (there are some great reads) that touch on confidence, identity, conversation skills, and core change.

Establishing yourself as a person will lift you higher.

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Good to read. I did much of the same thing when I was in a fraternity in college. I'd have guys try to bring me down, and when I didn't react, they'd overcompensate.

I think the major thing guys misinterpret is that they are too unreactive. You bring up the point of being reactive to positiveness and unreactive to negativeness. This is key.

I'd say once that's mastered, learn how to detect sincerity. I see guys saying things that are seemingly nice but are really negs. And from then on, you don't have to worry about negs.


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Its not really redefining, just that people dont understand what they read.

You are talking about the AMOG which can be really good or just annoying and the cockblock which can be really annoying or completely harmless.

AMOG: He is the leader, your best friend if he likes you or a cockblock if he doesnt.

Cockblock: He can be dangerous if he can challenge you in any way or help your game if he is a loser.


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So would it be a bad idea to actually say some of that stuff to an AMOG ? Like if they try to put you down, calmly say “I find it weird that you have to try and make yourself big by putting others down or making others feel bad, I feel sorry for you being that insecure.


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