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Hey everyone, for those who have not yet had a chance to know me, names Impact, I've been in this community now for a good 2 and a half, moving up to three years, in which I have personally gone through all the ups and downs you could possibly imagine and personal growth to lead me where I am today.

For those of you who are new to the game, and I suppose new to life, let me emphasise that your end destination is never the initial destination you once had in mind. When I first entered this community, i was angry, very upset at my life and the paths it had went, I kept meeting women but i kept "loosing", them, I didn't understand what the deal was, with life with anything, I was so pushed off my center that any influence no matter what it was, with some glam would attract my attention. After some soul searching I discovered some old tapes by Ross J, which started me on this crusade to become the master pickup artist. I discovered all these interesting and colorful people, and I had the chance to meet Tyler himself when he was in Sydney and talk about the direction of my career, for at that time i was fairly well known in my little area, and thought it would be a interesting idea to work for various online dating companies. My first goal was to write a ebook sharing everything I had learned from all my experiences in field, as at that point i was living a life i thought had my foundations laid solid and my life in itself was now in place. However when I started writing my ebook, I noticed that I was referring allot to, routines, and lines, things you would do or say and somehow my subconscious wouldn't let it go. I decided to do a experiment then and figure out why my soul was so tormented even tho I had so much going on, why my body would prefer not to go out and meet women and have this great anxiety at the beginning of conversations. I knew how to deal with it, I knew how to compose my self and slide by, that's elementary piece of cake pickup stuff after all.. master the material then master yourself. I dropped the pen and stopped writing and just went out, after a series of months, i discovered something really different! I was always taught in the game, you have to do to get, or you have to be to get, but what i discovered is that I am so I get.

You see people, none of what you see in this forum I believe is valid to you at all, you are all here looking to get better with women, but its like the ugly duckling that turned into a swan, you are already special, you are already heading into the right direction, you will become what you want and how you want, you were designed this way, and all the answers are within you.

Some of this may sound like complete gibberish, but its like a master talking to his pupil, given enough time you'll understand it too, and not to put myself on any kind of pedestal in compared to you, we are equal human beings on the same level, but I have to use some type of medium to communicate with you across, by which you can comprehend me. Remember in the matrix, when Neo is looking for a answer, at the end he discovers that the answer was within him, and everything around him was a validation of that, he just couldn't see it.... and so you are here, looking, searching, asking questions about phone game, or reading books and memorizing lines when you are missing the point.

The answer is within you, It always has been and always will be, you don't need to attain anything, as simply wishing it strong enough will focus your mind on that objective and drive you, your 5 or 6 foot body to accomplish that task no matter what it takes, but you have to free yourself from everything, expectations, demands, lifestyle, free your mind, your body and your soul completely and let your body walk and shape itself in any form that It may. Go up to the woman, and know that you are.

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Deep shit, for some of you for sure, I know allot of you just wont get it, or will read it and hear it and miss it. You know I studied to be natural, I actually studied, to be confident, I broke down confidence into every little detail, to the way I walk, talk, smile! this was after i was great in field... and in the end it let me back to me!

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So what do you do when you first start? do you study the game? and become a great pickup artist, then when you get it learn to be a natural, then when your a natural learn to be yourself confidently?

no, just be you always. You know I see the sadness in these guy's eyes when they go out to social venues, i see it buried within their soul.. they have become masters actors and deceivers and have lost all notion of personal growth. Their life is based only in monetary, electrical or synthetic growth figures, which they have accomplished through their understanding of the digits and numbers created by our everyday psychological non evident matrix. Man do these so called men wish that they could be honest with a woman straight up, that they could look in her eyes and say "hey your beautiful, id like you right now". They are saddened by the millions of facade walls they see are there, carefully and meticulously perform a hilarious or astonishing to the outsiders mating dance to gently swerve around them, where as all the woman ever wanted is for him to acknowledge that there was no walls (There is no spoon).

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Unfortunately time is very limited for me right now, so I have to leave very soon, but I will leave you with this.. go out and meet women, and be yourself.

You notice how i don't talk about body language, voice tonality, attraction, connection or seduction, I just say be yourself.

If i was to say learn attraction, well what is attraction? banter? cocky lines? no no no, attraction is a woman validating her interest in you for being yourself.

Hows that?

so she sees a shy guy, she will say to her friends, hes really english rock its so hot!

as a example.

I don't talk about body language for that same example above, voice tonality, or seduction as they are natural courses that come by natural ways and understandings between two people.

I know this structured path is seductive, but skip it now you don't need it. On the other hand you don't need this alpha male rubbish either. Alpha males are parrots, that's how they become alpha. Birds that repeat words, and act out people in movies, and integrate that into themselves.

Pickup artists get good by their memory, developing and distributing, natural alpha males get good by being giant parrots, memory and integration through means of distribution.

Moral of the story, skip all of that nonsense, all the lines and bullshit, all you need to learn is the nature of attraction, connection and seduction.. the nature, not the lines and bullshit to accumulate it, but nature, even though I more or less spelled it out for you in this post.

You will need to go out and live a life which is clean and orderly, that entails meditating and cleaning your room, desk always, things of such nature, honesty, honesty, honesty, and holding your ground and your foothold in life (All of this is done simply to get more in touch with yourself, good sleep helps ALLOT to). You will need to understand the nature behind manhood and womanhood too. Go out to the library, look at some chick flicks with your female friends, figure this out, but use your resources, don't be spoon fed! your not learning anything aside from acting skills and how to be a professional deceiver with routines. And you learn nothing from natural alpha males who talk about the world as being a exchange of energy either. Trust me ;)

All you require is foundations, learning the nature of everything quickly. Ground fundamentals, then you go out, look in yourself and see what you want, and present. Worst case scenario you don't accomplish your set task but you have to take direct responsibility, and look deeper in yourself to forward a more genuine person. With the basic knowledge of feminine nature, you will asses which woman gives you a credible response and which doesn't. Women just like you have problems in dating and life, they have many chemical processes that occur in their body, far more so then you, so never take anything personally. But I've just told you be yourself, when one knows himself nothing can be taken personally as he knows where he stands.

Go out and do,.. and no this is not the same as going out to experiment with lines or routines or going out to experiment different behavioral stances or vibes through actions, or delivery, this is going out and being yourself, and making that work.

I hope I can communicate more in this regards to you all in the future, fingers crossed this post goes out and there are some which think about it, and have interest in perhaps learning a little more.

Thank you

PS: Remember, its not about her its about you, and there is nothing you have to do, or nothing you have to be, you are, and shes interested in you, and how you are, you have just never presented a congruent you to her, and although you can present someone else through practice, who she may be interested in for a while, its best for her to like the you who is more then good enough for her. "Her" being any woman you see, full stop, and if you can trust me on that, then you have just saved yourself from a shitload of trouble. And when I mean present you to her, I don't mean presenting stories which you have memorized either, I mean presenting the shy, but unique or non shy or whatever you are, to her, just by going up, and being you (with the knowledge of fundamental nature of life you will navigate all the right directions, no hassle, no anxiety, no bullshit, no pain, no anything, just happiness, genuine happiness and being completely content).

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hrmmm i read that whole paragraph, and i think you and your ideas are great. Ive been on both sides . Ive seen the fruits that the memorized lines bear , and the attraction, ive had 6 to 10 diff females interested in me, and ready to screw Lol. But what i learned is that they ALL except for one became numbers in my head, they just became a reassurance that im this playboy . And it went from exciting to boring quick. It becomes sort of an addiction, where your doing these canned lines and routines because you cant help to believe in yourself. Now i 100 percent agree , in some cases certain people are so screwed with insecurities that these materialized lines become a GREAT start for them, and i dont mind that. But what they need to learn is it will get them only so far. Now i also agree Some techniques , kino, and cocky remarks ARE A GREAT TOOL to incorporate into your game, But thats all they are. Trust me like 80 percent of game , is confidence and the ability to go, and do what you want and need to do. So i agree greatly with you on alot of points. Oh, and of your looking for a great pick up artist to mirror or listen (tho getting stuff from mystery, and style is great. Is david deangelo, alot of the stuff he states is pretty much right on the head, when you listen to him it doesnt seem like hes dishonest, and or some trickster like mystery is. Hes a confident gamer, with natural game qualities. Now for someone like mystery you can see his tricky ways, and from what i heard the man tried to commit suicide about 3 times.


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Seeing that speech makes me realize that I need to be a PUA more and more now. This be yourself speech stuff is just gibberish. I mean seriously, if a lot of us looked like Brad Pitt, then I can see how be yourself would be more easier. As it stands for me though, I feel like its not enough to just be yourself, but as Mystery always says, be your best self. And when I do this stuff, I make sure I stay true to myself and not come off as someone from television. If I was to be my true self every single time I went out, I'd be setting myself up for total failure. Impact, I know you mean well, but we all have our own paths to follow in this community and therefore, I"m gonna follow mine. Some of you may disagree with me on this, some of you may not, but I"ve chosen this life and theres no going back for me now.


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Seeing that speech makes me realize that I need to be a PUA more and more now. This be yourself speech stuff is just gibberish. I mean seriously, if a lot of us looked like Brad Pitt, then I can see how be yourself would be more easier. As it stands for me though, I feel like its not enough to just be yourself, but as Mystery always says, be your best self. And when I do this stuff, I make sure I stay true to myself and not come off as someone from television. If I was to be my true self every single time I went out, I'd be setting myself up for total failure. Impact, I know you mean well, but we all have our own paths to follow in this community and therefore, I"m gonna follow mine. Some of you may disagree with me on this, some of you may not, but I"ve chosen this life and theres no going back for me now.


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You have allot to learn my young emotionally exploding comrade amigo!

And mystery method is not step 1. That's a step in the wrong direction! come back after a year and msg on this thread if it hasn't closed, let me know your thoughts!

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Some people might feel that telling people to just be themselves is an excuse to not improve. I've had friends telling that to each other when it comes to getting success with women and I don't think it works at all. However, I see where you're coming from Impact and I agree that people shouldn't use all the routines and lines like a crutch as you'll soon get found out by the other party.

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You have allot to learn my young emotionally exploding comrade amigo!

And mystery method is not step 1. That's a step in the wrong direction! come back after a year and msg on this thread if it hasn't closed, let me know your thoughts!
Maybe to you its a step in the wrong direction. hey, if you wanna have this belief in the community, go right ahead, but quit trying to force this stuff down our throats. I mean, if I wanted someone to tell me to just be myself, I would take advice from friends and family, and even I don't like their advice. These are my thoughts and I'm sticking with them.


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The ebook has been long done man, finished it in July! Me and a girl I dated for a while Lauren are touching it up. But its done! The thing which has been killing the progress is the art work! my artists just don't get what attraction is! They don't get all these concepts I'm trying to describe to them through pictures and words, I literally have to show them and teach them privately.. just so they can draw what I want properly.. does that make sense?

Ill show you a few examples, even though I'm not supposed to be releasing anything out to the public until the website is done and until I have a live email feed for everyone to subscribe for.. but here is a early secrete look ;) check it out!


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The website is about 80% complete, I'm trying to figure out what business name I should go under, datingimpact, or impactdating or something else! any ideas or suggestions on whats more catchy would never hurt :)

I've also been working with a few people here form the film department, we have footage which is superb! We are editing currently, and I'm in my studio at home working on all the music for that, and ontop of that a separate project involving relaxation music, which I will include for free with the ebook, either that or all my infield videos will be free. I also have to make a dedicated youtube channel for all that sometime soon..

At the end of the day everything has to be perfect, as I'm a hardcore perfectionist. Loads of effort is going into this and Its a lengthy process, but you can bet your moneys worth it will be hardcore quality.

When people buy my ebook, I want it to represent all of my work. Something that's easy to read and apply, at the same time will stop them and make them think. I also want them to be able to read it several months after and get a totally different but equally educating meaning from the EXACT same text. That's the tricky part!

Anyway, gotta fly, but keep in touch!


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Maybe to you its a step in the wrong direction. hey, if you wanna have this belief in the community, go right ahead, but quit trying to force this stuff down our throats. I mean, if I wanted someone to tell me to just be myself, I would take advice from friends and family, and even I don't like their advice. These are my thoughts and I'm sticking with them.

Regarding this, your free to think whatever you like, and your free to use whatever suits you best and whatever works for you. I would just like you all to keep a open mind, and think about what your getting yourself into! Its easy for us to go in a direction that we think is right only to come out of it months (or sadly years for some) later saying argh.. why?.. I sometimes care too much and try to get through to people in different ways. At the end of the day its almost impossible to change someones direction, once of course they've sailed away.

it took me 6 months of coaching my friend Jake on how to perform Mystery Method, (because he didn't want to even hear what anyone else had to say) only for him to come back after and say, I get it now... I get what you were trying to tell me.. so what have you got for me? whats the next level?

It's the same with wishing you could go back in time. You wish you can go back to when you first started and present yourself a certain path in life or certain information to get you where you are today, but if you do that I suppose you loose the journey.. and we are all in for this journey through hell before we get to heaven. We have completely drilled it into us, that that's whats right, and any chance of free thought aside from the social programming we claim to see, is usually forbidden (we can't just go to heaven [example]).That's why we call it RULES of the game, or RULES of pickup. There simply are no RULES in life, but although I can rant on about this all day, I will never be able to truly get through to you, until you go through the process.

Keep in mind that I've been here a long time, and I've pretty much seen everything you can see, and been everything you can be in this "self improvemen & women, dating" field! I wish I could shake you all and wake you all up from this crusade your embarking on, but unfortunately I can only save those who have no idea about it, and don't see the glam but rather are open to any ideas with positive thought to get them positive results.

It's much easier training a student who has no idea about Mystery Method, to get solid results, then a student who has learned it.. Thats partly why I care so much, simply because I have people coming to me and I can't undo this damage.. its corrupted their soul..!

Mystery himself tried to commit suicide on a number of occasions. He is HOT some days and completely useless the others, as so many infield videos of him will show, but yet the beating goes on and on, we choose not to see it, and the marketing machine and profiteering in this community continues.. because everyone knows glam sells.. And no one even cares about the value or worth of humanity to whome we sell out.. we sell out everything! And rarely do we care about the truth.. the truths TOO HARD MAN.. we want instant solutions!

Don't work on your confidence, don't work on you're presence, don't work on your spirit as a man or your sexual communication, no.. instead..they say, where are the routines? the openers? give me, give me, give me structure, i understand structure!!!! I'm a male human being!!! and I want to be spoon fed, I refuse to work for anything my man Impact.. we are build on logic.. even you say that..

And I reply.. hold on my friend........... hold on............ women are all emotion............HOW ARE YOU GOING TO LEARN COMMUNICATION BETWEEN WOMEN THROUGH LOGIC? ........ well??........well simply you won't.. repetition does NOT teach you how to be a man.. it only teaches you how to perfect your acting skills which you've developed, like Tyler tells it, "you put a shell around yourself". Great skills mind you.. delivery.. opening, transitioning.. cold reading.. that's another strong acting skill right there.. and in the end you wake up.. with all the power and knowledge in your mind, and you still cant say to a woman.. "hey.. your beautiful.. i like you.." because alarms are flying through your head going NOOOOOO NOOO!! YOU HAVE TO PLAY ALL THAT, YOU ARE MONEY!!! or COUNTER WITH A NEG. " I like you..... but your so not by type".. and then she looks at you and walks away.. because women are sick and tired of this bullshit, and they outright think its revolting, but us men don't even hear them.. or try to see their views.. because we are right, and we have something that works..right? a great pickup artist can deal with any situation, but can he deal with the fact that his nature is wrong? of course not, he sidelines it...

Oh well we are not lying to women, we teach men how to bring stories from their life forward, but until they do that, they will substitute it with one of ours.. or we don't think using things like HB is dehumanizing at all, its just "In lingo". Or.. we don't necessarily think that making a wife cheat on her husband with us is bad, women are women.. they are free creatures, he wasn't the man he is so.. ta da.. shes mine now on weekends anyway..

For those few of you who are very lucky, you will discover after months of this stuff, that what gets results at the end of the day is you, and how you present yourself, without routines. Then you'll further begin to drop routines until you become a man of absolute natural confidence and value... for the very very very very very very few of you. One out of ten people... for the rest of you, you will make excuses for months and years, and constantly think your heading in the right direction with all your heart and mind, but you won't be getting anywhere. I see it all the time.... it's not easy watching your friends run around like headless chicken as your with the hottest girl in the room, then you introduce them and they come off as fake.. women see it, they feel it.. they laugh and have a good time then they move onto the guy who is for real.

*sigh* I really.. really care.. I've been there..

But........ the only way I can really get you to listen is through hard work and loads of hope *fingers crossed* and of course a CLEAR means, by which I can demonstrates what I'm talking about.. (best means is video and audio, that will lay it all out through actual interactions between women). Then and only then will I have a chance to make up your minds, maybe.. if its not too late..

Again your all free to do whatever you wish, i encourage individual choice and thought! So if I'm coming across as if I'm suppressing any of that, then my sincere apologies, that's not my intention at all!

We have to stop living by the "rules" of life.. ironically because we have created a system, which evidently will fail us all.

So that's my 2 cents! I sincerely hope some of this makes some sense to readers out there.. I'm crossing all my fingers.. maybe I've opened someones eyes........ maybe? even for a split second I suppose in this world that's a great success!

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I believe it boils down to framing. The verbalization of 'be yourself' does not apply well to those who don't yet know how to BE themselves in a social situation. 'Be yourself' also implies that one is already cool, confident, and calibrated enough to navigate any situation on natural merit alone.

Yes, the first and most important thing is that you put yourself in social situations. Simply by spending time there, you will learn from it, once you can be cool enough to observe it. It's a matter of time and intent/effort, but the first step must still be taken and adhered to as a general rule despite what paranoia may arise.


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The verbalization of 'be yourself' does not apply well to those who don't yet know how to BE themselves
It does, unless they don't speak English.. or if they don't understand what I'm communicating logically, and that is always further explained. I never tell students, "be yourself" or "be confident" and that's it. It's ALWAYS broken down and explained.

All be yourself means is hold your ground and respond based on what you feel. it does not entail confidence or any needed prior knowledge. Let go and do what you want to do, you don't need to have gone through any process, or have learned anything. Simply being yourself is possible, its a active choice which is free for us all to make.

Of course if your having trouble making that choice then there is positive psychology guidance to allow you to achieve that. I'm still not very happy about what people see as natural, or yourself or confident.

I got a pm today and someone said

"I read your post, but when you mean natural is that like the arrogant guys in the club that get women?"

My answer to that, and to anyone else curious is no. Natural in the most simple terms means going out and doing and seeing what works for you and what doesn't, and at the end you become like the surfer, you constantly catch the best waves, because you know how to, without anyone ever telling you.. You develop your own unique style, which works so much better then anyone elses, that you expect to get results and you DO get results every time, rather then smashing up against everything that comes your way, and working on things that give you partial results when your in the zone, or give no results if your not in the zone. Your not dependent on anything or anyone but yourself. The lines don't matter, the routines, the scripts, the knacks.. all that matters is you and her.

Natural's also have game, and they have a solid background behind psychology, life, and a deep fundamental and honest knowledge of themselves.

Another miss conception is that what I say in regards to "be yourself" or "you don't have to be you are" refers to you doing absolutely nothing, and putting in no effort.. "well I am myself, and yeah I am" again no, that's not what I'm saying or implying at all. I'm asking people to dig deep inside and understand that the tools they have, are enough to get them through any interaction without too much effort.

But I understand how you, and other people would see things that type of way.

Naturals work on themselves, really on themselves not on their game, i mean on themselves.. through everything in life, and are allot more complete individuals then someone studying a certain facet of life. They do martial arts, or dancing, they actively play sport, socialize, have things they want to do and aim to achieve them, know their worth in life, and won't allow anyone to take that worth away. Again I'm not implying you don't have to study, everyone has to tweak here there and everywhere.. but generally with a few nudges, a person can be up and running in no time.

You will have to go out to achieve results because for one, life is out there, not at home, and two, your body and subconscious have to be always aligned to the real world.. that has to do with your minds perception of everyone in your enviroment and also the size of your visual dynamics.. (but this is deep stuff now).

If your natural you know how to make productive, daily choices, ie sleeping well, cleaning your room, putting positive posters up, listening to good music, socializing with the right people.. to get the results deep down from your subconscious... and the second you do, it will show in your body. It will instantly reflect the way you talk and walk, look at people, your vibe just changes.. and women pickup on that right away.

Its taking responsibility for everything you do, everything you feel through honesty, growing up, enjoying life, and disregarding things which will alter you from that path, instantly.

I'll be making more posts in the Natural section of this forum.. But I read some of these posts and replies.. .and to be honest I'm getting somewhat embarrassed.. I had a friend talk about transitioning today.. from openers to time constraints and my words were "jeeze....." I remember holding my head in disapproval and going.. "what.."

In my world there is no transitioning, there is going up and saying "Hi" and getting a positive response!

When people talk to me about structure these days, or when I read their post It somewhat amusingly reminds me of that funny scene in hitch if anyone has seen the movie, where they are in this speed dating room and this old lady is desperately trying to get laid, so she has her little questions and things she goes through before she can decipher who the right guy is.. or the lucky one at that!

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I think the RSD Blueprint program has the best take on the "be yourself" issue - essentially its about being your BEST self all the time, that "self" which is totally relaxed, confident, funny, engaging, assuming high status etc, perhaps when your hanging out with your buddies or at work or ... whatever. Most people (me included) have several lower grade "self"s that surface in different social situations like when meeting a hot girl.

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How do you know its the best? have you tried everything out there? There is allot of interesting unique approaches to being natural, many people advocate different things that you can use as tools to grow.

Many things appeal to many people, don't ever confine yourself like that. I've heard people saying the complete opposite about the Blueprint, a person on this forum was aggravated because he couldn't return it and paid so much money for something that didn't help him at all.

Moral of the story take a very good look around to things which appeal to you, be open to all resources to receive their value.

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TD says numerous times in the Blueprint that you got to fix yourself, & that the blueprint material isn’t rules or stuff to learn for egoic learning (ie knowing something to feel prepared) but rather sign post guiding you to your goals, but ultimately you have to go out and test them yourself and find what works for you. He says this pretty much word for word.

I like your post Impact & I think you would appreciate Blueprint decoded a lot.


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