Without looking for anything in return - i.e. sex, social proof, connections, more hot girls, etc.

What are your thoughts on this?

Right now I don't have any close female friends who I have not slept with, or who I have no interest in sleeping with. Maybe one girl, but I think she's attracted to me a lil bit.

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I don't understand how you can be friends with someone without looking for anything in return. I mean maybe its not sex or to get to other people, but there's got to be some kind of reason.

Edit: I'm not saying these are the only two things a woman can offer. I'm just trying to provoke some thoughts on the discussion. My point is if not sex and the like, what is the point of having a female friend? I mean this not as a rhetorical question but an attempt to question the valid benefits that platonic friendship has.

yeah, i mean, just cause she has a vagina doesnt mean that you cant have a platonic relationship with her. ive had plenty.

theres always gotta be something in return
ie friendship and all that

whats great about having great looking female friends, is when u guys go to parties and clubs and what not, thats preselection. other HBs will look and say, damn if he has those girls, hes got something going for him.
and theres preselection and BAM ur getting the goods

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I think, belive, and know first hand that you CAN be friends with someone without looking for something, except maybe... friendship.

That stuff you posted fakename, thats not a good mindset to have. And thats exactly the problem with a lot of guys here.

I didnt got into this crap to get pussy. Ok, actually I did, but that was initially. When I started learning this stuff, I realized that getting girls was just one aspect of my life, that needed to be improved. The lesson was that I wasnt on this to get girls, I wanted to make my life better, and to be a happier person. And let me tell you, learning techniques and reading stuff wasnt very helpful.

I'm now a happier guy because I walk around givin' love to everybody.

I know that sentence may sound gay, but its really huge dude. You have to feel genuine love for humanity to be happy.

Let me strip my ideas from hippie-ness:

When you give love to people (like when you talk to people in your life, give a selfless compliment, talking to a girl you just want to be friends with, even talking to the nerdy guy on Econ 101) you make the world more confortable fr the people around you, and people (girls) would want to be around you.

But hey, you might be thinking "If I start being ultra nice to everybody chicks will suck my cock". Thats the wrong way of understanding it. You have to give love because you truly enjoy it.

I remember a time when I was at a house party... I was trying to chill a bit because that was a pretty intense evening. I made out with this chick that kept saying that she was a model, she probably wasnt, but certainly she looked like one. Anyway. I was trying to sober up, and I was pretty proud of myself and feeling great.

I was at a friends apartment and I went to the kitchen to get a beer or something and I spotted this guy sitting alone. I said "Hey bro!! you want a beer or something?" "Ok"

I talked with him for a little while, like to get whose people is he friend of and stuff. He was kind of depressed because he had some kind of problem with his GF. We had a couple beers, and he got some free relationships advice from me.

Apparently I helped him to feel better about stuff so I went back to my friends.

Eventually the party died and I decided to go home to get some sleep. I live nearby and since I was drunk I thought it was a good idea to walk.

Somehow a guy grabbed me from behind and putted a knife on my neck, "Give me your money motherfucker!!".

Let me be honest for a second, I was pissing my pants, I gave him my wallet my cell phone and my shoes, apparently so I couldnt run after him.

I watched him ran away with my stuff, and suddenly a car almost hitted the bastard. He tripped and some guys grabbed him.

It was the guy from the party, he saw everything and he and his friends decided to help me.

Thats one of the best things that someone has ever done for me, and those guys where almost strangers. I just talked to one of them for 5 minutes, and he took a potential risk to help me.

I didnt talked to him because I wanted to get social proff (it was a big house, and there was not a bunch of people on it so we were almost alone in the kitchen), or because I was pawning him. I talked to him case he looked like he needed some cheering up.

Give love to people, and not just to have friends that can get you out of trouble. Trust me you will feel better about yourself. And the ladies can sense when a guy feels good about himself.

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Great post amador, don't just be friends with girls and other people for what you can get (meet more fit girls, preselection etc), but also for what you can give. The more you give, you more you receive.

Mr. Amador, that was an EXCELLENT post.

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Make friends with a variety of people. As far as gender goes, there's usually only two. If you don't have friends of both genders, you've got bigger issues than pickup and seduction. You question in your original post actually kinda disturbs me...

O posted something like this a while back and everyone went nuts "surely you want to fuck her" etc etc a friend is a friend whether it is a he, she, hot, not meh pisses me off the mindset that your dick must go in everything that it can.

Also awesome post Armador, tis something I do a lot in clubs, if someone isn't having fun you should go chat to them and see if you can cheer them up. It feels much better in my opinion than picking up a hot girl

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I admit, I do have a problem in this area.

If I become friends with an attractive girl, there is usually a lot of sexual tension. I can't help it - I automatically try to maximise her attraction for me. I can no longer be the non-sexual nice guy.

The last time this happened, I LJBF'd a girl and she agreed. It turns out she got a little oneitus on me (haha, I sound like a bragging douche), and "cancelled" our friendship.

I later saw that there are very few real, genuine, good platonic friends of the opposite sex who are attractive people. Usually, there's an imbalance. Sexual tension comes into play.

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One of the best things that I've learned here is that external stuff cant affect the way I behave on my interactions with other people. If someone is atractive, rich, taller, older or whatever; I act just like I would with everybody else.

Maybe that sounds pretentious, sure, I act different when I'm with a girl I like, but I dont act differently because she is attractive.

I think that the whole issue about being friends with a hot girl is that some guys cant act naturally around beautiful women (whatever the reason).

Thats scarcity thinking right there; "Since there are few hot women I have to nail every hottie that comes across my path"

On the other hand, there are hundreds of different types of friendships. I agree with Legion on this; there are few good platonic friends. But I disagree wiht him on the attractiveness of those friends. A good friend isnt necessarily hot, just as a hot chick is not necessarly a good friend.

I have few true friends, I only have one attractive girl that its my true friend. I can talk to her about anything, we know each other very well and I'll trust her my life. I happen to hang out with lots of attractive women, just cause they are fun, those are friends too... but they are a different kind of friends.

When I game women, its because I feel it. I'm friends with people I feel that would be great friends. It has nothing to do with thinking about stuff. I've been involved in sexual relationships with attractive friends of mine, and let me tell you; It happen naturally... and thanks to alcohol and out of hornyness. It wasnt something planned.

If someone has a problem on this, the only advice I can give is to try to look at it from a mature point of view, try to figure out whats the best way of making she, and you happy.

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"Motherfuckers best belive in....That you are fucking with the best" - 3oh!3

Teasing is a battle plan for what Shakespeare called “the merry war.”

I think making friends with girls are a good idea ... sometimes it will lead to meet other hot friends and they can always give u a good reference ... personal I am friends with a HB9 and we are good friends make out all the time and do stuff and she will still put in a good word for me with her friends and even that ... we have a whole group of people we hang with and having HB arounds will higher your value ...

What the fuck? Do you know what a "friend" is?

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I had some things I wanted to say here, but then as I was reading on, I came across some posts I couldn't agree more with. I would have to say Mr. Amador is spot on with his posts.

Yes, you fucking tea bag ... you can't make out with your girl "friend" now really???

Step your fucking game up old douche!!!!!!!!

I am not fucking this chick ... and I mean we have a friendship like friends have, but we just get drunk every once in a while and have fun... we still will do friends things ....