I'm getting mad about this HB8!! have no idea how to deal with her!! it's like if none of the material worked!! i can tease her with c&f - my usual approach - yet there's no way i can frame her! she always strikes back, it's like if she was a female version of david de angelo! most of times, she will be the one to start the teasing telling me stuff like "oh you really love me, dont you? i know you cant stop thinking about me!" she enjoys my game, yet i just can't break her this way. the few occasions i was close to complete control was when i (apparently) stopped playing and acted manly yet sensitive and sincere, like telling her about the time some girl broke my heart, and talking about my passion for art, etc. O
ne thing about this girl is that she always seems to be playing. acting smiley and extra confident all the time. however, deep inside i think there's some shyness to her. besides, i know she dreams about a romantic man.

we talk on msn every now and then. and we have already been teasing and teasing each other for a few months now. i want to invite her out this weekend by phone, but i dont have her number. I would like to hear some opinions about how to ask her number (perhaps c&f would work here). anyway, maybe ill have to ask it to one of her friends, since neither of us goes to msn that often;
and about the way to invite her on the phone ( i wanted something different from c&f, yet if you have some great one it will be welcome, specially a rather funny than cocky one)

thank guys, hopefully you'll be able to help me again

I knw exactly what ur talking about bro, ive meet a couple of girls like that and the thing is there hard to crack and easy to fall for, the attitude is a real turn and plus u want what u can't have, what u have to do is not use that much cocky funny just enought to rebutle her responses, like when she said "oh you really love me, dont you? i know you cant stop thinking about me!", say something like thx for the work honey, my brain is about to start sweating I think I lost three pounds thinking about u, ill call it the (her name) diet! and pull a cocky smile and touch her arm so that she associates that funny moment with u,

First give her a call and say hey(name) were going out, so cancel all ur plans and write my name down in that little agenda of urs, o and wear (some iteam of clothing), it depends on what exciting place ur taking her

Than pick her up and sweep her off her feet by taking her on the coolest date and than leave her thinking about it a few days, than take her out to a nice bar have few a drinks(wines good) till shes loosened up and build comfort, than either start the questions game, and ask do u want to kiss me? after a few build up question or u can go caveman and kiss her directly

well anyways im telling u from experince girls with attitudes like that are hard to sarge and give u ONEITIS

hope that helped

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I noticed that with girls like this it's more about the game than th winning and re-framing. You're in as lng as you can keep up. As Narcist recommends just be the rest of the Alpha you can and go caveman. Don't overthink it. Just keep up.

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From my experience with girls like this its better to play it directly. You have played it cocky and funny and therefore should have created a good amount of interest and DHV. Simply SOI and close it. I would use

HB: some cocky and funny line
PUA: I like your sense of humor its sexy, not many girls are like that. Im [insert planned activity here], come along and entertain me.

Narcist, i like both your dating tips and your handling with the "i know you love me line", yet i think such a c&f phone call would hardly work with this HB, as it would probably get her too defensive, and would mean a stepback to the negging and teasing phase, in which she is - trust me- unbeatable. The answer, i believe, would rely on a more direct game, as Chase suggested . However, the idea of simply calling her and plain SOI telling her i would like to take her out, really bothers me. I wanted to be able to do it, in such manner that wouldn't make me seem the loser of our little c&f/negging/teasing contest ...

If you want to steer away from cocky funny, here's what I usually do. Be sincere about it. None of this demanding 'entertain me' or anything. As you've mentioned, you think she likes the sensative side, so give her a change, allow her to let HER c&f guard down by being open, friendly and relaxed about it.

'Heyy (name), what's going on? I'm going to this party on the weekend (or whatever you want to do with her, get a coffee or something) and was just seeing if you wanted to join me? It'd be a heap of fun! blah blah blah.

May be a bit afc-ish, I don't know, but from what it seems, she wants you to be you. Sounds kinda like Lisa, Style's previous woman.

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You should always have complete "control". On a second note, telling her about a girl breaking your heart was a bad idea, unless you were a closer friend.. Idk just my opinion. I hate to say it but that is common wussy behavior but you probably neutralled out the situation by talking about one of/ your passion. Acting up more wussy behavior probably would have lead to a negative interaction or her giving you the "Don't talk to me look/attitude".

Make sure you are just as confident as she is. A woman is always taking up opportunities to test you.. so probably knows a fair ammount about your personality and knows to attack it with some C&F herself. You know she dreams of a romantic man, so when the time is right you may chose to take advantage of that. But remember it's all your choice, another important thing is to assert your REALITY, if she doesn't like it she can leave.

Lastly, asking her friends for her number is another bad idea. If you can try and be patient and wait until she is on MSN next. Another bad idea.. asking her friends on advice of what to say to her, better to ask another girlfriend around similar age, if you have to.

Some advice courtesy of David D. Anyways that's my advice take it or leave it.

Wait, where do you live again?

I am kind of like that too....sometimes.....if i can throw out those kind of responses and he responds in a fun/teasing way, I continue. If you are serious about wanting to take her out then you do need to be more direct, as Chase put it. I DONT think you should get her number through the friend...be a man and ask her yourself.

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Great stuff here. Ive encountered so many of these kinda girls but I wasnt sure what to do. Its certainly a challenge when it feels like shes trying one up you with the C&F.

Dude... you realize this post is like 2 years old?! Try to keep up.


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