So I have 2 questions ..

I've been trying to find the right center for where you're aggressive enough to not be creepy with a girl. Where can you find this center?

Also, how do you have a "i dont give a fuck attitude" while still displaying interest in a girl yet showing her that you don't care if you get laid? Just curious what some people do.

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You must send mixed signals. if you want to FAKE.

But I prefer to dont fake it. Its really much better. A "I dont give a fuck" attitude is attractive cause is a sign of a powerful man.

If I just "dont give a fuck" for all, I will be free to approach, flirt, and anything else. Because a rejection doesnt affect me, I didnt react, Im not a result of the CIRCUNSTANCES, either bad or good. I AM A RESULT OF MY THOUGHTS. Thoughts that I can choose, so I can control myself.

What you want? Be in control, or just looks like youre in control?

I'm always thinking that Im in a war against myself, my old self. We're our worst enemies. You must kill you from inside, lets everything you ever wanted to be grows inside you.

I must my advices attends your needs.

Fu$$Bird

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Nothing great will ever be achieved without great men, and men are great only if they are determined to be so.
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Alot of guys get the wrong idea about the "I dont give a fuck" idea. It doesnt mean treat a women like shit....what it means is you dont give a fuck what her or any one eles thinks about you.

for example say Im out with a group of women and I say somthing odd or crazy....I dont blush or apologize....you just dont give a fuck! If somone if offended then who cares? if she doesnt agree with you on a subject so what....If somone doesnt like your shirt you say "thats to bad I love it"....so what I mean?

Its called confidence. You should never use the word "sorry" around or with women because if you are a confident man who knows what he wants and what he thinks then you are sorry....ever. The thing is alot of guys get the wrong idea and think that this means they can walk around acting like a dick and assaulting women.

When I say somthing that a women thinks is weird I never back down! ever! even if it sounds un cool to her! you know why? because then it becomes cool in her eyes....but if you blush and act like an afc then you become creepy or the weird guy who doesnt know how to talk to women. Go out with a good PUA some time and listen to they way he speaks to women....you will understand.

Keep this in mind. Its not what is said...its whats heard.

TTM,

You gave me the perfect complementation of my words. Great.

I really love those lines by R. Jeffries:

I MAKE NO EXCUSES FOR MY DESIRES AS A MAN. 
I MAKE NO EXCUSES FOR MYSELF. 
I MOVE THROUGH THE WORLD WITHOUT APOLOGY. 

Keep this in mind TOO. This is the real mindset of "I dont give a fuck" attitude.

Fu$$Bird

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Nothing great will ever be achieved without great men, and men are great only if they are determined to be so.
- Charles de Gaulle

It's never too late to be who you might have been.
- George Eliot

honest to god 90% of PUA is confidence....once you have that down it comes easy! the other 10% is just touching up on your game like knowing what women want ect....I would say 99% of the guys in here work to hard on that 10% and then never get the other 90%....sad really! but work on your confidence first and then learn what women "want".

There is more to "I dont give a fuck" than the actual words. They are just an attempt to catch the general feeling but they are oversimplified. Of course you care about many things in the world. The thing is that you care about the right things for good reasons. You do not care if someone call you an idiot because you know that you are not. You dont care if the girl in front of you is hot or not because you care about her inner qualities, because you can afford to. Non reactive means that you do not overreact since you are the boss of your universe.

Do not confuse this with being an A$$hole, which really doesnt care about anything. You just afford to choose what to care about and what not.

Ezo,

Of course you're right, the mindset is probably most comprehensive if you know what you really needs to care.

For me, everything you need to avoid is to be a victim of the circumstances. Every great man was a creator of conditions and circumstances.

Pickup is creating the whole conditions that increase your advantages between others. If you always "give a fuck" for rejection, you will never get your goals - You're a victim

Cheers

Fu$$Bird

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Nothing great will ever be achieved without great men, and men are great only if they are determined to be so.
- Charles de Gaulle

It's never too late to be who you might have been.
- George Eliot

Agree 100%. Material gave me the confidence to try, after a couple months I had a Matrix type moment were it all seemed to come together & I figured out it doesn't really matter what you say, it's about what you convey. Game is pretty much all confidence & body language. Don't be reactive & don't care are my keys.

What helps me is positive thinking. Basically I tell myself all day I am bad ass & eventually you start believing some of it & I reframe everything as positive, even if I fail, I tried. You control your reality & how you feel about yourself. Remember that people.

Thanks a lot for all your replies guys, but what about my first question?

How do you be in control/aggressive yet not be creepy?

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Thats the way I do. Except for one thing:

I really dont like the "wishful thinking", every time I try to understand the real meaning of each situation in my life, and I face it, as a MAN. To improve myself and be greater as possible.

Honestly, this is what puts me closer of my ideal life, as a self-made man. Dont get me wrong, you need to be realist. The key is the balance between positive thinking and reality. There's no pessimism here.

Fu$$Bird

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- George Eliot

my imput:


1) I think this is a feeling out process that depends on the girl. Essentially, this is the process you go through when building both attraction and comfort. sometimes they cancel eachother out, so you have to make sure you don't compromise one, when you are working on building the other. when you are overly aggressive, you are probably building attraction while losing comfort. overly passive behavior does the opposite. what you want to do is be assertive. when you are assertive you have the proper balance to build attractiona and comfort without one compromising the other.
2) the "i don't give a fuck" attitude comes from being outcome independent. when you are outcome independent, you can still go out and sarge with the intent of picking up a girl, but your mood and motivation is completely uneffected by whether or not you succeed. I think it just comes naturally as a result of a) understanding the game better, b) working the field more, and c) becoming more successful as a pua. as these three things happen, you will see your dependence on outcome, and overall tendency to give a fuck - completely disappear.

this attitude will probably give you even more success, because it displays confidence and less neediness. girls tend to pick up on how high our confidence and neediness levels are, regardless of whether or not we realize it.

nickkk

Agressivity is different from "I dont give a fuck" attitude, cause if youre agressive you really give a fuck, I mean, a "bad fuck". Please dont look as youre approval seeking, just dont do it, I honestly know how is hard to do it, and unhappily, sometimes we need to fake it.

If you think about, theres a reason that made a "I dont give a fuck" attitude attractive, cause this shows for the girl that youre confident with yourself, that youre a great man, that has much more importants things than care about others opinion.

Now, the answer, just calibrate. Use softners for your negs and IODs, for example, if you said "you're so weird lady" with a *smile* you softened the neg. I love to use calibration to make physical escalation, its quite simple, likes Mystery routine that I saw on his PUA show. A girl approached him and showed a lot of interest, hes said, "I hate you, get you ass out of here" with a HUG and a SMILE!

I might this can help you http://www.growyourgame.com/articles/tag/qualification/

Fu$$

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Nothing great will ever be achieved without great men, and men are great only if they are determined to be so.
- Charles de Gaulle

It's never too late to be who you might have been.
- George Eliot

The solution is so simple. Search inward. Until you learn to actually love who you are you will be doomed. When you do love who you are you sure won't be trying to pickup anything. Insecurity causes people to chase after things. Secure men have a different pace to their lives.

Thanks a lot guys, all your posts are very helpful.


Good point expat. Seems like thats very true.

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