After reading 'The Game' and re-reading for the 3rd time in 2 years what really stands out is that once a guy gets lives through the world of women and dating or has had MLTR(s) he sees the dark side of it.

I remember the part from the book where Neil Strauss says that guys tend to experience married women cheating on their husbands with PUAs, Girls in relationships could be seduced into bed if its a SNL. In a short interview Neil says that one of his students pulled a girl who was on a date with this guy, who flew in from like LA or something. Its heartbreaking to see that girls would soo easily let themselves be swept off their feet and then open their legs to anyone with good game!! Even Neil Strauss with all thr tricks in his bag and the best pick up artist title could not keep his GF Lisa from falling for someone else and eventually breaking up with him !!

In my personal experience, I have seen adultry first hand in these clubs, girls on dates slipping their numbers to guys (by that I mean myself, I am guilty of being arrogant). I wonder how do you find the 'right girl' in this mess or is the idea about 'the right girl' just an illusion !!

what do you guys think ??

I think that the best shall win. Sometimes life gives you something, sometimes it kicks you to your ass. And "The right girl" thing is just illusion, and here we call it one-itis.

"The right girl" isn't even in the same ballpark as oneitis. Finding a girl you are really into--who you can commit to with no hesitation or regret-- is a very wonderful, noble thing. Oneitis is when your obsession over a girl who doesn't return your interest causes you to get needy and weird. Two totally different demons.

As for the OP, I have two points.

1) Punishing all women for the sins of the few is no better than women who claim "all men are pigs" because one or two guys fucked them over. Don't confuse growing in experience with growing jaded.

2) People are always going to be who they are. Some people grow and change as life goes on, some people never do. The best way to avoid getting serious with a promiscuous woman is to make an effort to see things for what they are, rather than how you want them to be. I'll give you two examples to illustrate this point:

About five years ago, I lived with one of my best friends and this girl (we'll call her D) used to stay at our house a lot as she worked her way through sleeping with my entire social circle of guys. He didn't get laid a lot, but even he could see her for what she was--a predator posing as a housepet-- as she dated some of our best friends while trying to fuck some of our other best friends, including yours truly (and no, I didn't do it). Eventually she got all the dick she was going to get out of our group and quit hanging out. Fast forward about 3 years and D and my friend run into each other and start dating. You read that right, EVEN AFTER SEEING HER BEHAVE AS PROMISCUOUSLY AS POSSIBLE, HE STILL DATED HER. Eventually they got married, and predictably divorced shortly thereafter when she cheated on his ass on several different occasions.

At the completely opposite end of the spectrum, another one of my friends recently started dating a pretty cool girl who I have been alone with on many different occasions (including IN MY HOUSE) where it would have been very easy for her to come on to me, yet on not one of those occasions have I ever caught the slightest hint of a sexual vibe from her at all--and trust me, if there's one thing I'm good at, it's picking up sexual vibes. She is a good, faithful woman.

In the first example you have a guy completely ignoring everything he knows FOR A FACT is true about a person and seeing her how he wants her to be. In the other, you have a guy who waited to get in a serious relationship until he found a girl who would be wildly devoted to him no matter what.

This one thing--the ability to objectively look at a relationship and decide what is going on-- is what separates guys who get cheated on from guys who don't, because guys who do this don't get into relationships with scandalous women in the first place.

Your boy,
870

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i beleive there is a "right girl " out there for everyone. this whole PUA thing for me is just a phase ( lets hope) and that we all are going through. You may not think about now but later done the line you will soon realize that this whole process might be not worth it anymore when you find that person.

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As Mystery said.
PUA Is not only about picking up girls but its about building a life!
PUA helps bring out the true you, the playful you, the you that is desirable to people, not only to girls, but to people overall.
A girl that's probably cheating on a guy while dating someone else, is probably a girl that's not worth the trouble, other than a few night stands. Guys do the same!
There are girls who are willing to commit (Just as there are guys) ... the trick is to find that "one girl" that you would really like to commit.
PUA is not a phase, its a lifestyle, and it doesn't have to be about picking up girls. You can have a committed relationship with one girl and still act PUAish even maybe then sweep girls off her feet with your game, but keeping commitment to your relationship.

when i was in high school, i had a friend who went through girls like they were pairs of socks. i mean he basically was always gettin with a new girl every time we talked. and girls hated but wanted him and guys wanted to be him. and people always asked me what his deal was and why he was such a player or manwhore or whatever. and since i was a good friend i learned really why. he was trying to find his perfect girl.

not everyone can be lucky and find the right one on the first shot. especially when u go to clubs where most of the women there are crazy wild party girls.
basically everyone likes new and exciting things in life. which is why most of us became pick up artists cuz we grew tired of the same old shit different day thing.
even women feel the same way. when they get bored they move on. just like our cat string theory.

so basically unless u wanna pick up on girls taking abstinence classes, we all just gotta keep looking and trying. its trial and error. but one day we will find THE ONE. but for now, happy gaming. especially for the young ones, have fun while ur still young. cuz one day u will be tied down like a hog at the ranch. and u will miss these days.

anyways, theres only a dark side if u decide to take that path. with great power comes great responsibility. so go out and do what yall do.

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Well Said everyone. Isnt it strange if you think of it. All of us, say most of us: guys and girls are looking out to meet that 'one' person who we could hve a meaningful relationship and yet both guys and girls end up dating and sleeping with the entier country or say kissing a lot of frogs until the princess comes our way.

I agree with 870 and have heard stories like these before where a guy despite knowing the girl's 'histroy' would end up marrying her and without any suprises end up in a divorce. Which makes me question whether cheating is addictive, whether its a habit ?

David D says attraction is not a choice so that leads me to think whether Monogamy is choice !! Non of the PUAs in here or the mPUAs in here despite meeting and sleeping with 100 of women are in a monogamous relation. Be it Mystery (the so called self procalimed greatest 'Pick up artist') or Style ( the true pick up artist for whom I have some respect after reading 'The Game')

Most of the MPUAs are in their 30s or some in their 40s and neither married nor with in a monogomous relation though they all started out their PUA journey to find that 'one' woman that they could spend their lives with !! PUAs like Sinn have even tried to kill themselves despite sleeping with, as he says, 160 women. Is this all a downward spiral? is knowing soo much about women sometimes a bliss, is too much knowledge about women bad !!??

What do you guys think ?

all girls and woman are trouble - there are no woman without problems ......

if a girl has a shitty history then second guess, maybe contact her ex boyfriends.

Both AFC Adam (I think) and Juggler are married.

And in my opinion they are both great pua's, maybe the best. Because they seem happy, and happiness is all we look for at the end of the day.

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You cant be serious about this. You are kidding right !!

In regards to contacting ex-boyfriends to find out if a woman is shady I have a quick true story. I had an ex-boyfriend of a girl I was dating find me to tell me what she was really like. He drove to my house while she was with me and told me right in front of her face that she was over at his house the past weekend and was giving him head. Her response? "Well I was eventually going to tell him that myself." I wasn't mad at the guy and I suddenly painfully realized that this girl was not worth committing to. I dropped her like it's hot and moved on. Strangely enough that guy ended up marrying another girl I used to date.. lol.

Point is, depending on the situation, this can be one way of finding out about someone's true colors. Last I heard that girl was a single stripper with kids.

In regards to the dark side of the game that this post is about.. the bottom line is that some girls will cheat and others will not. Some just want to party and some want a soulmate. We know this. When you see girls being unfaithful in the real world consider it a learning process that teaches you to spot red flags before you start falling for a woman. This will help you pick a winner in the long run!

If I'm gaming women, I do my best to make sure I'm not gaming someone's girlfriend or wife. I believe in karma.. so there you have it.

Be the light in the darkness if that's what you want to attract back to you~

~Skailz~

Marc:

Your right attraction isn't a choice.

However choosing whether to act on this or not is ENTIRELY a different matter.