Hey Guys,
One more question on club game. Is it good to compliment in the club. When I did the first time to this spanish girl I said "I like your top" she just walked away and told her friends and they all just started pointing at me like hey watch out for that guy. I did'nt want to call her a bitch becasue obviously I did somthing wrong. I then said I like your dress to an older lady who was smiling at me earlier but I did'nt make a move because of friends and she just shrugged it off. I ended up just be a wall flower and a movable pillar for most of the night. Please Help!
Thanks

Whats cracking lonewolf,

Firstly, to give a compliment to someone is fine man infact it makes people feel good about themself so dont disregard it all together, weather in a club or not. What you need to know though is that you cant expect it to get a woman interested in you if thats the first thing out of your mouth.

You can only start complimenting a woman once she's starting to show a bit of interest in you to let her know the feeling is mutual, and in order to get a lady interested in you, you first have to open and demonstrate higher value. If you compliment her before that you're doing exactly what every other AFC does.

Look up a few openers and use that to initiate some conversation, once she's given you an opinion on something non-threatening and dosent feel like all you want is to jump into bed with her, only then does the game start. Show her a magic trick or practice some cold reading techniques to get her a little intreagued and hopefully interested.
Once thats done and she sees value in you and dosent think you're a threat its more apropriate to throw in a compliment, but keep it subtle like the ones you've been using, dont tell her then how hot you think she is, just compliment her on something not direct to her.

I promise you if you keep from complimenting her right at the start and you use a less threatening appreach, when you finally get around to telling her you like her style he'll actually be listening and respond positively.

Let me know if this helps, persomal message me if you like and please let us all know how it goes.

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Peace, Finchy!

Your correct to an extent,


The compliment is a compliment it can be given as an opener, and often it is with GREAT effect.

Looked up direct methods before?

"You are literally the most beuatiful women I have seen all week, seriously I had to cross that *point to busy ass street that you have just crossed* just so I could say that.... So how has your day been?"

What matters is the sincerity of the compliment, if it's said in order to get her attracted, or becuase you cleary just want to get something back. Then yeah it'll turn out bad.

Learning to give a compliment that is sincere and genuine, but still keeping the flow of conversation is a huge asset.

Work on projecting that you MEAN that compliment, it's easy to ignore an emotionless drone telling you that your shoes look cool.

It's much more enticing when the guy is genuinly in awe of your hair.

I don't like your view of, your doing what every other AFC does.

I'll make it clear, PU in a sexual/romantic frame, is not origonal, It's not funny, or clever or mysterious or anything else, it's god damn SEXY!

And I don't think people should "demonstrate" value for the sake of proving yourself to her, rather people should focus on being high value, as opposed to just acting out a facade for the 2 minutes it takes to float a bottle.

you were obviously(to me) not being genuine and the girl saw through it and wasnt interested, pua is not about pick up lines

if you say in a situational manner, and of course, if you really repair and its really one to be commented on, like my keith richards t-shirt


you know? its unique and its mine, and I picked it up seeing much more than a beautiful stamp in it, if Im using my regular t-shirts and some girl came in complimenting it I'd find it awkward
now if Im a women, not only it would be awkward, but it would be so clear you would just TRYING to be nice to get in my pants, plus, even tho I MAY have tought you we're attractive, the awkwardness makes it not enough, and I'd feel like a slut for hoping in such a weak hook

on the other side if Im using my keith richards t-shirt and some girl, even some dude, asks me to take a look at it, I'd be flattered and willing to socialize with this person, because it is a special one for me... theres connection
I don't know if its the kind of thing you can fake, its a perception and atittude thing

but anyhow, Im not very much the opener pua, dunno how the guys who opens girls everyday do..

I really like that whole tweaking a girl's clothing compliment/neg...

You see the girl at the bar or wherever, make eye contact, give her a look over and make a face like something's not right and you can't figure it out. Then take an item of her clothing and adjust it slightly, make a face like you're happy with what you see and then give the compliment. I've found this works better than a straight-up compliment. Also, i would suggest that you decide which item of clothing you're going to move before you start this as i once ended up trying to adjust a girls top. Did not go down well, stick to accesories if possible. But yes, as the other guys have said, a compliment can be very effective but you need to deliver it appropriately and not supplicate.

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Just to add a small note about compliments seeing how it has been covered pretty well here. I stay away from complimenting a girl on her looks and body (tho if she looks like she goes to the gym you could get away with some comment about that)

I compliment on their choice of clothes, hair style, shoes etc. These are things that the girl chooses to wear or do so that means you are complimenting her on her mind and not looks which goes down so much better.

Fin: I'm not suggesting that a compliment is by no means an appropriate opener, but time and place my friend.
Guys dont go to clubs to dance, we go there because chicks go there to dance, this means guys are out there for blood and clubs are probably the one place where girls have us coming to them from all sides... most guys who has the balls to approach a HB10 are using some sort of compliment weather direct or not so her defences are more likly to be up and i think its fair to then say that relying a direct open (IN THE CLUB GAME) is not be the best choice.

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Peace, Finchy!

So girls don't go to clubs to meet men... truth be told women go out and meet guys all the time. (by choice)

Secondly a word on the "Bitch Shield", it's for low value men, men who she doesn't want to meet.....

Is your inner game low enough to think that you fall into that category?

"Defences" I'd suggest re-aligning your perception of the dating scene if you see it in terms of "attack" and "defence". She's not your prey, she shouldn't be trying to defend herself from you.

Most guys will not approach a hot girl directly while sober. They will probably not give complments that are genuine, they will probably give the compliment to "win her over". Alot of people aproach indirectly... "so what are you drinking?" "Hey, you guys like this venue"

These are pretty much the origonal indirect openers and they are INCREDIBLY common, to be honest chances are she knows why you are their when you approach.

Rehardles of what love systems tell you, a confident and well executed direct approach is uncommon to find outside the community. Where as the indirect approach is VERY common.

Personally the moment you say "hi" to a girl in a club, she knows why you are their. Simple rule to remember women are very socially tuned, THEY ARE NOT STUPID.

They know why you are there, sure it's fun for both parties to use "indirect", but she won't raise her guard becuase a guy is "hitting on her".

She'll raise it if a guy is hitting on her badly.

Is your inner game so low that you have to turn this into a competition and make absolutely positively 100% sure that its your advice and no one elses that gets heard? You have to result to knocking me to get your point through? That way maybe you feel you've won and its a personal advance for you?

Unfortunately nobody cares how wrong you think I am and seeing that you've already made up your mind that you want this to be an arguement thats all thats going to become of this topic so I'm just simply not going to entertain this thread any longer.

Other than one last thought.
Walking up to a girl and complimenting her hasnt worked and so I'm simply offering a different apporach. It seems others are insistant on you using their method, so by all means take their advice and try doing the same thing you've already done expecting different results. If that dosent work , see how far you get with canned openers and let us know the outcome.

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Peace, Finchy!

I am turning this into an argument, becuase I'm seeing something which I think is incorrect, and I'm stepping up to challenge that, if it looks personal and over-argumentative, take comfort in knowing it wasn't intended to be so.

I can be (and usually am) passionate and opinionated when it comes to topics I am involved in.

Thats the way I am, and I have been like that since I was 14.

This is a self dvelopement community, if I pointed out that a belief indicated low confidence, I ussually have my reasons. I'm not calling you out, I'm just trying to help you, same with everyone else who points out flaws in other peoples beliefs.

However my advice was not to do the same....

The attitude which lies behind a compliment is more important than the compliment itself, the words that come out of someones mouth aren't half as powerful as their meaning.

Too sum up mine and the other above posts.

1. Compliments must be sincere.
2. They can not be used in order to make someone "attracted".

Keep those two rules in mind and PROJECT, that "frame" with regards to the compliments, and you'll find that compliments run alot more smoothly.

i often find its challenging to open a two set of higher because of the loud volume in the club, most places unfortunately are loud all over and its tough to get more then a two set to hear you...

also... i live in toronto and have ben sarging for quite a while but my buddies have all gone into relationships. i need a few new sarging partners who are like minded and want to stay out of the relationship situation... PM me or someone start a new thread...