...Yes I know, Another AFC Friends thread.

I've figured that the weakest part of my performance is my social circle, There is about two naturals in my group, most are in relationships and the rest are AFC's. Also that I need to go and sarge with the intent to sarge instead of just going out with friends, having fun and not opening sets left, right and center.

I know exactly what I need and I don't have it, A wing man.

Last night, we were all heading towards the back part of the place, girls crossed through us heading for the toilet I think, HB8.5 (lovely long blonde hair, smallish height, cute, nice smile and a very nice white dress, she was tidy) ..passing in front of me, I said 'Your hair would look better up' as she kept eye contact, Smiling and moving at the same time. Later through the back I looked across the room and she and friends were dancing, As I was standing up, A friend of mine who was already over there for some reason, stumbled into them, said something (probably about there looks knowing him) and they ran away. Grr!

When he got back over I never said anything to him but tried to push him in the right direction by saying, You see those girls there, Go to the one in black and say 'That’s lovely long hair – are those extensions?' .. And he said 'What? What kind of a chat up line is that?'.. I said 'It's not a chat up line that's why, never mind doesn't matter'. .. My friends don't know I'm learning this stuff but geez, If he would only just do what I asked to help him rather than question me.

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Yeahh I see what your sayin man, I feel your pain

you should come down london we'll sarge together

but yeah I find that also mate I try and help my AFC friends who think the know better than me even though I get WAYYY more girls than them, I just dont understand :S

why dont they just realise? If someone offered me advice and I was clueless with women I would take it.

My take is that there's no need to 'convince' your 'AFC friends'. Why bother? Perhaps it stems from our own insecurities.

If you do wish to show you've got game in some way, then let your actions speak for themselves. Sometimes I used to tell some friends stories about women and they wouldn't believe me. I wouldn't try to convince them, I was just looking for funny conversation. Now most of them have seen me out and sarging women. I come back to them after being with the girl for a while and they're like, "...................SOWHATDIDYOUSAY???" And telegraph their curiosity x 100. Haha.

I'm very lucky to have two awesome wingmen. One's style is basically pure NLP carnage (although he has major AA recently) whilst the other who is more experienced tends to game for about a week then have a new gf for a couple months then game for a week and repeat the cycle. Presently he's taken and won't sarge with me...(DAMN YOU BIGGI).

Bottom line, you don't need to 'convince' anyone of the game, if they're not open to it just leave them, less competition for us anyway. You don't 'need' a wing either, although it's great to have one to share your journey. I sarge alone more than with friends or wings.

Thank you both for your comments, totti If only I was closer I would.

Well yeah actions do speak for themselves and they do work more powerful than words. However I wasn't and won't try to convince any of my friends, he didn't even know that was game and probably just thought I just made it up for a giggle, mainly the reason why I didn't proceed to explain further to him although I understand now that what I should have done was walk over and do it myself, actions as you said.

I told a attractive girl that her hair would look better up, none of my friends heard me doing this but if they did, I think they would have been very confused more than anything else, never mind trying to understand why I did it.

As for the wing man, I see that aspect and relate it to my training partner, I train alone and always have but sometimes I do have a training partner who's bigger and stronger than me and when i do train with him, my motivation, strength and whatever else pushes me and it all increases at least x10. I fully understand that I don't need a wing but really want one and feel that I would benefit from having somebody beside me in field and as you said somebody that I can share the journey with and will understand it. I don't have it and haven't even had the opportunity to experience a wing, The only opportunity I've had close a wing man in feild is a natural friend, who is attractive and single but doesn't follow the concepts of sargeing as such. So unless I can find somebody or get a friend join, I'll just have deal it with, do what I've always done when training alone and get the job done.

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If you think you are beaten, you are.
If you think you dare not, you don't.
If you think you'll lose, you've lost.
--It's all in the STATE OF MIND--