I've seen so many routines out theresuch as the mystery method, style method, david D and so many more thats supposed to guide you from start to finish and if you stick to these steps she's practically yours.

What I've found in my experimenting that one routine may work on one chick but not another and this is because diffrent women like to be seduced in diffrent ways. But what I also found is that every PU and seduction has:

An open ----> build on attraction and comfort ----> A close

So I think that instead of memorizing canned material the best way to insure success in a PU the best thing to do is to open, fluff to kinda get a feel for what kind of girl she is (fluff talk builds comfort) and when you find out then attract her based on this knowledge which should more than likely lead to a successful close. In the game of survival the ability to change and adapt is golden.

Your thoughts and opinions on this will be appreciated.

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Don't ever let somebody tell you.. you can't do something. Not even me. All right?

You got a dream.. you gotta protect it. People can't do something themselves, they wanna tell you you can't do it. If you want something, Go get it. Period.

Yeah, Ive been trying to convince people for ages...

You are right, adaption and social calibration is better. However you need a bit of practice before you can do it. Routines are good in the beginning since they are something to fall back on if all else fails. And they do work unless she has heard it before...

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the place where optimism most flourishes is the lunatic asylum...

I have some things that I do or say quite often that I did not mean to be routines, they just seem to fit. The thing is that they are MY routines. I experienced them, I tell the story, I was there. I can modify the story any way I like if I find that it doesnt work, or cut it short and do something else.
I think what Mithos is trying to say is that the canned routines you get from watching Mystery on TV etc is no good. Well, obviously, you need to be prepared to get questions you cannot answer when you use other peoples routines. Be sure to have a backstory to your routine.
If you use routines, be sure to know what you are doing, do not just memorize them and repeat them...

I hope this was what you meant Mithos...

Ezo

This is exactly what I mean. Your routine must be be YOUR routine. I think that if you use other peoples routines you are much more prone to failing shit tests (cause your being someone your not) and looking stupid when they go in depth on your false DHV stories or FTC (which is why I never use them)

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Don't ever let somebody tell you.. you can't do something. Not even me. All right?

You got a dream.. you gotta protect it. People can't do something themselves, they wanna tell you you can't do it. If you want something, Go get it. Period.

I think within this community, alot of the newer people get so caught up on being a "pua" that they forget to be themselves. They want to use the material of men that have success with women instead of BECOMING a man who has success with women. Using other peoples material comes off incongruent. I think that once you realize why each story works and what it conveys then you should create your own according to the format.

FLOW! FLOW! FLOW! You get it? Being a robot is not attractive. Being a negative person is deadly (negs don't work). If you concentrate on developing your true self you won't worry. You will just live. Life will FLOW in a gentle and easy manner. Things will become smooth and natural. Now that is SEXY!

Guess what? You can't make money selling such a thing. You can make money selling guys lies. Telling them to say this or that. Don't fall for it. Be YOU! That is the only true way to love and confidence.

Mike makes some valid points. Be who you are. Don't be something you are not. People can see through that. Your vibe will be negative to begin with. Creepy is what you will become.

Ross Jeffries is creepy and he gets laid all the TIME!!!!!!!!!

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I'm addicted to facing my fears.

Well, this is simply not true... Many PUAs use mechanically repetitive routines and it creates attraction. Many people use negs and they do work. It is not enough to just develop your true self. You also need a direction to develop it in. A smooth flowing life goes a long way but it does not automatically build attraction.

I agree with you in general, it is better to develop a personality that is attractive but you are going a bit too far. People who use canned material are also successful. The biggest reason why I dont use canned material is that I want to be able to tell stuff from life and show my personality.

hear hear.

however, be balanced. if you get too wrapped up in yourself, it is obvious that you don't give a flip about whoever you're talking to. learn, use the lines that suit your personality, and keep calm.

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the place where optimism most flourishes is the lunatic asylum...

Or just learn about WHO you really are. Who do you want to be? What are your dreams, what are your ideals, values? What is important to you?

Learn to show this and learn to understand the underlying mechanics of attraction and you will go far.

What? You spend the night as a little mouse in the corner of his bedroom? Seriously. Don't believe everything you see or hear. Just because you want to believe something does not make it true.

I have NEVER used a canned routine. NEVER. I also don't pickup girls. They pretty much pick me up. If you give off the right energy you will see how people will be attracted to you. All ages, both sexes, all backgrounds. People are people. Don't focus on just some tramp you see at a bar. Focus on within.

If you actually love yourself you will NEVER become arrogant. Arrogance is what little men are. Arrogance is what a b----- is that many of you chase. These are people who question who they are. If you love yourself you will be at peace with yourself and those around you.

Do canned routines ever work? Of course they do. Just like if you hit on enough broads some will say yes. It is a numbers game. However, if you live to do this you are cheating yourself on happiness.