I'm in highschool so I heard about the best natural in our school, so i spent time talking to people about him, everyone knew him and EVERYONE i talked to hated him. Everyone as if rehearsed everyone said he was a cocky little prick

so when I went to ask this man about weather or not he had sex with 4 of the hottest girls in the school (all of the girls were seniors and this is his first semester freshman year)...guess what, this man was fucking modest about it, I expected everything him to go onto some gay DHV story about how it happened but no completely modest. That is when it dawned on me this kid doesn't need DHV stories because HE IS THE SHIT AND HE FUCKING KNOWS IT.


so who here says to hell with the DHV stories? lets kick em like I kicked my poodle this morning

I guess that's ganna be the only comment this thread receives. However, I would like to thank you for the clarity you have brought to this topic. I have gained a lot of perspective from your reply. thank you.

Actually, it _won't_ be the last comment on the topic, because there's one thing that Hobbit hinted at, but didn't quite say outright: there are a lot of methods out there, and not all of them rely on DHV Stories to convey your value to women. Some rely on establishing fast deep rapport, or focus on displaying an overtly sexual (and thus sexy) attitude.

I don't tell DHV stories. I've found that there are a few qualities in my personality that demonstrate my value enough all by themselves. I'm freakishly honest. I'm very witty in my speech, and tend to be funny because of it. I stand out from the crowd (often without peacocking, I might add; I've been told it's the way I carry myself). I'm laid back and easy to talk to.

And these are things I've cultivated and made my own. They're not things I've always had, they're things that developed through the use of tools like DHV Stories and canned routines. I can still fall back on my history of canned goods when I need it, which is a godsend occasionally, but it's the attitudes and behaviors those routines conveyed that I've attempted to bring into my own style.

If you want to wean yourself off of canned stuff, you will find a lot of support for that, on this forum and others. At the very least, I think you owe it to yourself to give it a try.

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You just saved me some time. I don't use DHV stories either, but mostly because I don't really know how. I mean, every one tell stories when they're talking to others, but DHV's I think, are supposed to embellish the truth. Like you, I am painfully honest, and just let my own natural wit take me where it will. So far, I have done pretty well, but I think some of the stuff I'll learn here will take me farther... I just don't wanna have to embellish the things that I talk about. If I can keep it honest, I don't have to worry about getting caught in a lie later.

well, my life can't be described as uninteresting, so Ive got plenty of histories of my own, and I don't even need to memorize any, as the talking go Ill probably remember lots of them....yeah, thats being a high value male

Why tell "DHV stories" when you can tell FUN stories from your life with a couple DHVs sprinkled in there either intentionally or unintentionally?

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Totally true.

Y'all seen "Stepbrothers?" Fucking awesome movie. Well, there is no better example of the classic DHV storyteller (and AMOG) than Derek. And he is the biggest douche in the history of movies.

When you invest too much into telling people how cool you are, you clearly broadcast that you are not all that cool. Now... other insecure people (esp. insecure girls) might be attracted to it, because you are a match, but people who are happy with their lives and have happiness to give (like, really sexy girls), will be immediately turned off.

If you don't believe me, trust, watch "Stepbrothers" again. I mean, it wasn't just me and The Cubes. We had Superchef Bobby Flay fishing for Bonita too. Hurry Up! Dane Cook! Pay Per View! 20 Minutes!!!

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What you are descrtibing is a misconception. A DHV is a demonstration of higher value. A DEMONSTRATION. It doesnt have to be spoken. The spoken DHV which is delivered on purpose verbally, is a TYPE of DHV. There are many more which are not spoken.
This natural you are describing WILL DHV, just maybe not with stories. You can demonstrate value without saying it, surely you realise that. You cant get a sober girl without DHV (Excluding NLP).

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Am I the only one who got the joke? Freshman in high school It was a joke. Geez, don't you get it? None of you could be so nieve as to believe such a story.

Isnt NLP in itself a DHV? By stimulating her emotions and taking their mind somewhere else dont you essentially show that you are of high value? Correct me if i am wrong, but if your NLP doesnt DHV you still wont be able to get a sober girl, and if the girl was drunk...she wouldnt be in a state to absorb your nlp anyway

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I dont really know that much about NLP if Im honest. One of the reasons I didnt talk about it .
But I do know this - at this very moment - just reading this - your a subject of NLP. Everything that happens to you is NLP. This in itself isnt a demonstration of higher value - its of neutral value. The WAYS NLP practictioners may use it may be a DHV.

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If you're focusing on DHVing at all, your focus is in the wrong place.

You should be MAKING yourself higher value, not trying to project value.

If your inner game is in good shape and your life is going well, your very presence is a DHV. Then it's just a matter of unstifling yourself and letting your value flow to those around you, instead of trying to project value.

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How is this kid so well known his first semester of freshman year?

and I never tell DHV stories. I'm just a master of small-talk so I typically don't need a story. I just convey DHV through conversation gradually. Be a fun, naturally confident and happy person and it all falls into place.

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If a DHV story is explicitly a "DHV" it comes across as bragging.

Women are smart and subtle and will notice slight things that come across in stories.

For instance, a real story...

"So, saturday night I went out for some drinks, and I started hitting on this bartender. Well she really liked me, she was really hot too. So she gave me lots of drinks and stuff, and then I took her home and slept with her. It was great."

That's bragging. It's shallow.

On the other hand, I repeated the story this way:

"this weekend was bloody crazy...."

"why?"

"well me and my mates went for a drink, and it was a pretty good night and shit. Anyway, the Bartender, she had the wonderful idea to give me free drinks all night... which was awesome. Until I had to wake up at 10AM on Sunday morning and go shopping. Shopping+hangover don't mix :/"

This time, it doesn't sound like I'm bragging, and I've also thrown in a mention of friends, which is a quick Social Proof, and the fact that she's hot is implied (bartender usually are), and also it's not like I "hooked up with her", it's strongly implied she was coming onto me, which is always better.

Of course, I know she's going to reply... and the replies will usually go two ways.

"Why did you have to wake up at 10AM and go shopping?"

"Well... she hadn't had any drinks so she didn't have a hangover, and since I was leaving town we decided to hang out for my last few hours..."

Now I've just thrown in another shitload of DHVs without sounding boastful. I probably slept with her (strongly implied), I have some money and an interesting life (leaving town), and she still likes me after our drunken fling (she wants to hang out).

On the other hand, sometimes she'll say "Player, eh" or (last time I used it, she said precisely "You have a way with the ladies, don't you?"

Responding as expected "oh yeah" or similar is a DLV. I respond "Oh no... she was Irish [I'm Irish] too... just a solidarity thing
She was probably missing her boyfriend back home ... I miss European women" Of course that's bullshit, but I've now added yet more DHVs... (implied I slept with a girl who had a boyfriend), and negged the girl I'm talking to (by saying I like what she isn't: european)...

In my methods, I make EVERYTHING I say a DHV. Barely a single statement I make isn't a DHV. It's incredible how quick you can gain massive attraction by DHVing and being Cocky/Funny.

Just find those things that make men attractive. Masculinity, confidence, desirability, etc., etc. And *hint* at them subtly throughout every story you tell.

This natural you refer to. When he's talking to a girl, do you think he's going to say "Man, I remember the time I fucked [name of SHB at school], it was great!"? Hell no. But if he's smart, he might tell some relatively boring story. (True story from a friend of mine)... "One time I was going to this pool party [implied DHVs: good social life, accustomed to partying with hot, flirty women], and this girl [name of SHB at school] calls me up thinking I'm cheating on her. Well I wasn't... I've been cheated on, I'd never do that to a girl. Unfortunately [tell whatever story]"... the girl is mentioned in passing, and everything's hinted at.

Always keep it that way.

DHV stories can be a real asset, if you look cool and it's congruent.

The part no one ever realizes is something that I think Mystery wrote early on. The stories have to be interesting enough that you would tell them anyway. Even if they didn't make you look good.

In addition to that I would say they need to be situationally relevant. You can't randomly start talking about Cuba or your ex gf who models for victoria secret's car. You have to set things up. That's where basic social skills come into effect.

I would also say DHV stories are least effective in the attraction phase. Both of the best two guys I've seen(Brad P and Captain Jack) don't use dhv stories in attraction, relaying instead on framing, teases, cold reads, etc...
The days of teaching long stories about rescuing your ex girlfriend from a school of zombies are done.

It is a good idea on the other hand to become a man of stories, the more unique adventures you have the better. Oftentimes I'll do things just for the story value. Stories are also key for framing things in the interaction. Both polarity wise, social value wise and sexually.

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