It seems as if the argument is "you cant use canned materials and still have inner game"

Well I respectfully disagree. According to the book "the game", Neil Straus used canned materials throughout his pickup career. He became vastly successful using these materials. Hell, canned materials even add a sense of depth and excitement to your personality, girls love it when people do things that seemingly contradict with your "norm". You become exciting someone fresh and you actually stand out from the pack. If these guys have taken years and years to figure out THE BEST response to everyday situations, why not use it?


Is the trend changing merely to adapt the community for the future when Mystrey and all them put the canned material soo deep into our culture you will be called out if you use it? Is ditching canned materials truly a better way to succeed with women? Why can't we jump start attraction by piggy backing off of someone else's personality? After all, our personalities are just responses we most like to situations that we use consistently. A personality is just a collection of preplanned answers to questions. if you don't believe me try telling someone to have a "good day" and wait for the inevitable "you too" response. So why dont we just embed all the best answers to situations inside our personality, and swap out the shitty less productive replies, it couldn't hurt.

What? No. That's a load of shit.
That's probably a part of it, not the main part though. In my opinion it is more healthy and constructive to know absolutely the reasons behind why responding certain ways to certain situations are most beneficial in comparison to memorizing hundreds of lines. Having routines and anecdotes are always great because they convey your personality to the woman. If you do not have any interesting stories of your own life, then sure you can 'fake it till you make it,' but this won't truly be you. My being natural, you are learning different skill sets then if you were to be thinking "what do I say in response to this? Is that an IOI?" You become more confident and competent in talking with people in general, without using purely canned stuff as a crutch. I feel the community is moving towards the natural game because it is more comfortable and authentic. However, I believe that for newbies it is best to understand the concepts and psychology behind outer game techniques/principles before turning themselves into 'naturals.'

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Basically all the questions your askin are "Why don't we just act". I mean..I'm a damn good improv person and can do decent acting, but there's no fucking way I want to do it 24/7. Trained actors don't even want to do that....

Ever heard the term "model acting"? Thats basically what your saying when you lose yourself in a made up character that you become THAT character. Its temporary @ most (actors only do it AS long as they have to- good example, Heath Ledger in the Dark knight). If you do this say all your life your going become instable as hell from it because you know deep down its just a character, though you may believe it (character)- but then that leads to having split personalities.

It doesn't relate and it does...lets be honest- do YOU think people like Neil and Eric are happy when they go to bed Every night- to a question of where, ya...I'd be happy to die right now? Or do you think their happy because YOU see they get certain results?

And to push it...why don't we do this for this result? Because we're human and not robots; humans are meant to fuck up and learn, they are meant to feel- robots are perfect. Perfection is BS. Perfection is being dead.

Breaking it even down more; do you relate better to someone who can just be there and empathize, or do you relate better to someone who just "impresses" you with their stories- knowing damn well there may have awesome stories but you can't relate because its not in your experience.


SO ask yourself the hard question, do you want to be perfect? Cause what your post says is you do. My view- I don't want to be perfect...why? First its damn boring- 2nd I'm perfectly imperfect already.

I got everything I need; sure I can learn & I do. I know however, I don't need anything for me to be a fun, social guy- when I'm in the mood.

I have a question, why are we here? Personally, I am here because I know my god-given personality will only bring me pain and suffering when it comes to women. I can accept that, I have accepted that fact so i joined the community in order to fix this area of my life.

So anything that I end up doing differently than I did before I joined this community would be considered "model acting"? It is not within my personality to tell a hb10 "no" when she asks an unreasonable request, but my "character" knows that would only be counter-productive when trying to get with her. Therefore I embeded this knowledge within my life and now it is a innate part of my personality. Well, while im at this whole changing my personality thing why don't I throw in styles respeck line when a woman says something too sexual too quickly. and so on and so forth?

Okay, so I have a basic understanding of why I would say "no" because everyone else says "yes" to that unreasonable request. I understand that I would say respeck when a girl says something too sexual too quickly because that averts the topic at hand. I understand why I am saying these things so, why would I say anything different that could possibly be less productive or even worse: destuctive?

I'm not opting for 100% scripted conversations here, fuck, everyone enjoys just being themselves. However what I am suggesting is keeping your personality within boundaries using these lines as borders. for every situation that a line does not apply you are basically free to be yourself (your best self). these lines are created so we come out light years ahead in the delicate situations. is that too much or is the girl going to fall in love with some fictional character made up by tyler durden?

Hey man!

I am sorry if some of my posts have confused you... I did not say that canned routines and inner game exclude each other.

The point of my crusade was to shift the interest of the newbies and rAFCs from "just" learning canned routines to also learning about inner game!
To learn to repeat canned lines and tricks can get you quite far but only so far. It is not always what is said but how it is said that matters. Sure, I am sure that Mystery have some great routines that he frequently uses but this is his material and he HAS inner game! How could he not, the man is the greatest PUA in history. So Mystery uses his own canned material because he knows that it works for him it is a way to make his game more efficient. I also use some routines if I find myself in a situation where I need to show that (hey Im preselected) or whatever. I have a routine for that. BUT it is MY routine.
Do you think that Mystery has shared his personal routines with the rest of the world? No, I am sure that he has some closely guarded stuff that he do not use on VH1.
So yes, you can have both inner game and routines. But the routines can be used too much and after a while you can not trust them. Inner game on the other hand can be trusted.

When green PUAs start out they need the routines in order to build their inner game but after a while they realize that the routines are not what they should focus on. The routines you find posted here or see on TV or on some of the Mystery or other PUG DVDs are most likely going old and are not what you should use because the risk is high that someone has already used it on that set. If you want to use routines thats fine, but you know, get your own material as soon as possible if you want to feel safe.

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No...anything you do which is to emulate anyone is model acting, while disregarding yourself in the process. Like I said...you already have everything you need- you just need to realize that.
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You may understand, but do you KNOW why YOU would do that? Concepts go only so deep, if they ain't you though- its just a lie- you know what to say without "respeck" if you just listening to yourself PAST your BS mind.
And why would you? Your only limiting yourself & your potential if you embrace it.
Lines are meant as training wheels AT most & are meant to get you talking- where I came from, my line was "Hi I'm Zac" and I talked about her and myself. That was it, none of this "let me impress you" background.

And lets be real, I can totally agree that routines and lines do work- they been time tested. I know people personally who use them- maybe its an ethical issue for me, but I can't be myself knowing I'm using someone else's line.

My view is strictly your best self- comes from developing yourself & getting your sh!t taken care of and then naturally everything will fall in place. The only reason you are looking to use someone else's line is because your somewhere in your mind & body you doubt yourself.

So once again...do you want to act or do you just want to be your best self?

Its good your willingly to start this journey; just don't get lost in it, emulating others. Take their stuff if you like it then transform it into something for you if it matches you. Don't just settle with what they use because it has no meaning to you.

I use canned material for opening, and for some DHV. Also, I've integrated some canned material into my own personality, since I'm congruent with it.

I use canned material if I want short-time attraction.

I don't know enough material to use it all the time, and to be honest.. I don't want to. IT's lying, and sooner or laters things will fuck up.

However, I just don't understand why some people are 100% against canned material.

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There is nothing wrong, disingenuous, or deceiving about canned material. The point is that you tell stories of your life that you have memorized that
1) convey your personality
2) demonstrate you have high value
3) make people laugh and have a good time

All Mystery's and Style's routines are just starting points for those who do not have these stories yet, or have not developed them. This is the starting point into story telling that is helpful for most men. Ideally you should be swapping these fake stories out for true stories of your own life when you can. This will make you more congruent and honest, as well as having many different conversational threads to start whenever.

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canned stuff has a definite place, it is the equivalent of a riff you have been playing around with for weeks on guitar. You wrote it but it isn't reactionary or adaptable to the situation it is more of a backup plan when you are jamming with someone, god I hope we have some musicians here or that cheeky little metaphor will be lost on folks xx

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