What most DHV stories lack



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 4:23 pm 
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I would like to share a realization with you guys. A thing that most DHV stories lack. Personality.

So, I guess people have started seeing me as a person who is 100% against canned material... Well, I have said it before, I am not. I do not recommend using other peoples DHV stories and most commonly used routines since you risk a lot if people have heard it before.

I use my DHV stories and my own routines that people here may or may not have heard about. Like the evil fluffy bunny. It is a good story and it is a true story. I like to tell it since it is funny.

To the point. Many people create DHV stories and think about including the DHV spikes. Hmmm how can I insert the ex-GF into this story or the leader of men etc etc. Then they kind of fill out with a lame story about whatever.
Ok, this could build attraction and it could get your game going. However, to take your stories to the next level you need to convey YOUR personality. You need to show yourself in these stories. I am sure your personality is attractive and if you could only show it it would work for you.

Let me use an example. If I was telling a story about when I went diving in the Bahamas and met a shark and saved my rich topmodel girlfriend from the rapist. This is over the top of course but I show you something. I would not be congruent with this since I do not dive. I hate sharks and I have never been to the Bahamas. If I would get myself a GF using this story she could tell that I have been lying to her at any time we were exposed to any of these topics. I do not want to show that I am the top diver because I am not!
I want to show MY personality.

Many of us believe that we are not enough in ourselves to create attraction. But if you come far enough in a set to tell them who you are through stories, take the chance to do just that!
If you have travelled the world, tell stories about that, it is cool. If you like your grandma, tell a story about how nice christmases you have or whatever.

This is something that you do not get in the Mystery material. You get the general idea of the DHV spikes and now it is up to you to also include yourself into these stories.

Hope this will help some struggling souls.

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Good point. The DHV stories always have the most personality conveyed the best when it is your own routine. Also speaking and emphasising with passion is a DHV. The most passion is put in through real life experiences usually - more effectively than someone elses. The solution: Make your own material!!!!!!!!!!!

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Ever since I first heard the term DHV I have contended that nothing is more high-value than conveying the things YOU like and YOU think are cool with passion and enthusiasm, and I still believe that's the case. Great post! :)


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This is a terrific post! I've been trying to hammer this concept into people's heads forever. It doesn't matter WHAT you talk about, just as long as it is real and you are passionate about it. It's HOW you talk about it that counts and is the DHV!

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Hey guys? Guys?

Can I change tack on this subject?

DHV should be real life events, life experiences, travel experience or achievements that have happened to YOU.
The story of "saving a super model from a shark" was merely an example by a PUA company, to demonstrate how best to DHV through "story telling" to a girl.
One complaint a lot of MPUAs have with guy students is their modesty and social silence about their achievements- which a girl will know nothing of unless you convey them in a way she will find appealing and hence start investing in you and your potential.

Take Neil Strauss (remember him?) Before The Game he would just tell girls he was a "journalist" and would get an "Oh?... thats nice"

"Now he's Neil Strauss, the New York Times Best Seller, Music Critic and Number one bookseller who wrote a Biography on Motley Crue and has met celebrities such as Britney Spears, Snoop Dogg, Madonna etc etc".

In that paragraph the DHVs are NY Times Journalist, Music Industry Insider, Best Selling Author, Celebrity Magnet.

No offense Rye Lee- but I doubt being passionate about ANY subject would get girls genuinely interested.
However in your defense one of the worlds best MPUAs also states that he can get girls interested in uninteresting topics.

My opinion though, thats like driving Circles through Square holes......


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No offense Rye Lee- but I doubt being passionate about ANY subject would get girls genuinely interested.
However in your defense one of the worlds best MPUAs also states that he can get girls interested in uninteresting topics.

My opinion though, thats like driving Circles through Square holes......
I told a student at one of my workshops to tell me something he was really passionate about. He picked Godzilla (I'm going to assume you're familiar). I told him to talk to some girls about Godzilla and use his passion to interest them. He ended up just talking about it and not even doing a very good job, just asking if they knew and liked it. So I took over the set in order to demonstrate what passion is really about.

I raised my voice, varied my vocal range in order to demonstrate my excitement and interest, used a lot of body language, chose words to emphasize how passionate about the topic I was and got them involved. My target became so engrossed in the conversation that I could have easily taken her home with me not long after (we ended up transitioning into other movies and passions, not just talking about Godzilla the whole time although we did talk about it for about 5 minutes).

I've talked to girls about videogames. I've talked to them about fucking World of Warcraft! They LOVED it because I was excited about it and passionate about what I was saying (yes I like Warcrack even if I don't have the time or money to play). I've gotten girls totally enthralled talking about so many subjects that people would tell guys to avoid talking about because they are "boring to girls", but I'm passionate about them and the girls can tell that, so they become interested and then we talk about what they're passionate about.

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I think that passion and dedication to some (anything) is a very attractive quality in a man. It is the lack of passion and drive that makes guys seem lazy and a "waste of life." Even if she doesn't necessary appreciate the hobby/thing etc...that you are passionate about, they must respect the passion behind it.


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Rye is right if you are passionate you can talk about anything, this is why I have never sat down and thought how can I DHV seriously most people have interesting enough lives to not have to over think these things. I have talked to women about what I even see as boring shit (music for tv and advertising) and yet because I am passionate about it (it is inevitable that is what I will end up doing) they seem to love it. I wish I could get a better example maybe someone should give me a subject and I will record me picking up a girl talking about it lol

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He he, I remember once that I saved a sarge by talking passionately about the game. Even that which would be counterproductive worked for me.
Thanks for the backup Bonita, always nice to get a quick female opinion on something ;).
Rye, I absolutely agree, the key is passion, any subject can work for you.

So an advice to all people out there writing DHV stories, first decide what you love here in life. What is your passion? Talk about that!

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Huh. A passionate DHV about a computer game sounds more counterproductive than opening with a drink, but I'd try anything...

I do have a petsy annoyance nibbling away at my shin though. I mean, no subject will be interesting without passion, but does it really work the other way around... Does anyone else share in my skepticism?

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whats that old saying "its not what you say, but how you say it"

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Huh. A passionate DHV about a computer game sounds more counterproductive than opening with a drink, but I'd try anything...

I do have a petsy annoyance nibbling away at my shin though. I mean, no subject will be interesting without passion, but does it really work the other way around... Does anyone else share in my skepticism?
I'd agree that on the surface some subjects are better than others, no matter how much passion is put into them. However, what passion allows you to do is bridge over and relate to the listener, and I think that's the key. A guy can talk as passionately as he wants about Warcraft (which I'm personally not a fan of, but my best friends are), but if all he's talking about is how hard it was to get from level 40-50 and that he's saving up to buy a new sword that'll let him do double damage, he's blown out in a second. Now if you could talk about WoW and explain how it's a great way to have fun and talk with friends even if you're physically far from each other and don't have the chance to always hang out in person, you've got something that girls can dig, and a good conversation segue. Anyhow, that's my 2 cents...


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I think that passion and dedication to some (anything) is a very attractive quality in a man. It is the lack of passion and drive that makes guys seem lazy and a "waste of life." Even if she doesn't necessary appreciate the hobby/thing etc...that you are passionate about, they must respect the passion behind it.
I totally forgot to say that part! That's precisely the reason why it works. In most cases people don't actually agree about liking a lot of things, but if you are passionate about it, the other person can appreciate the fact that YOU like it and it means something to YOU (that's all that matters cause they are trying to get to know about you, not find an exact copy of themselves!). I was reading a thread a few days ago where the guys said him and his girl had opposite preferenes in reading and thought the other person's subject was utterly boring, yet they coulg talk about the stuff they read for HOURS because they both found their own subjects fascinating and enjoyable, so they were passionate about them. I personally don't like country at all, or hip-hop, but if someone really digs there music and can tell my why they are so passionate about it, then I'm totally hooked on the conversation!

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Good point!

It is an form of art to take out the cool stuff and hand it to people.

I dont need to like everything about pre-hellenistic art, but if someone tells me that it is cool because of this and that... Suddenly they have helped me skip the boring parts and fast forward to the nasty details...


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