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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:53 pm 
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Recently, Chief wrote about the stuff I'm talking about on a thread, he called it ego problems. He was right, ego has to do a lot with it... and those of us that are able to give proper advice to people have contributed to the problem giving it to people that is not ready to see the truth.

There are a few things that I dont like about the community. I dont like the way a lot of guys express themselves about Pick Up, in a immature fashion. Like they were talking about how you fix your car or computer. "You dont have good inner game? you gotta read this you gotta do this" "That girl told you X? do W".

I understand (read that last sentence as much as needed) that a lot of guys need advice. I did once. There are clueless guys, and they need advice, but lets get the horse before we ride it: People is not always ready to get techniques. When someone asks me about what should he do about this girl, I dont give the answer that they might be hoping for. I just tell them to grow some balls and ask her out, or to game another girl. I’m not here writting this to tell guys how to get girls, there are a lot of guys better that me at teaching that sort of knowledge, I'm writting this to help them get a girl. To get a girl, they have to beat some demons first, inner demons we all got. I’ll get into that later.
But there's a something that I disaprove about that way of handling it: If you read a bunch of books, watch a lot of videos, and even go to a few workshops; you can pretend to be improving, and even pretend to be "as good as anyone", "I'm gonna be famous", "I got a website"...maybe you know who I'm talking about (If you do, he is just one of many).
To teach game in here you just have to sound convincing, so we might be seeing a major waypoint in the community history.
If as some claim, the community goes mainstream as it is now, it would be a major disapointment.
Someone said that only 10% of the people that get into this is successful. So we have in our hands a bussiness that gives returns only 10% of the people that invest on it. Nine out of ten will fail. So, we might have somethig that works, but there's something we are missing.
We are basically helping out people we dont know anything about, sometimes even giving them answers straight from an e-book.Dont get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with ebooks, is just that we are giving advice without really knowing what the real problem is.

I've been helping out some of my friends, and everyonce in a while, when I tell them about AA someone says "Thats dumb, I wont get AA...thats not even an issue", but when they first aproach a girl, or a set, they literary shit their pants.
I learned that you can’t know what the problem is, unless you see the guy in action, at least you have to talk to him in person.

So I recommed to anyone that is going to help guys out in this forum:

1) Be sure that the things that you are talking about come from your own experience. Not from something you read, its better to make him read then.

2) Check that you are helping to fix the real problem, The guy might be asking what to tell to this girl, but the real problem might be something else, try to figure out what it is.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 12:01 am 
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1) Be sure that the things that you are talking about come from your own experience. Not from something you read, its better to make him read then.
I think this isnt 100% true, I can tell some1 how to lose weight for example, but i have never had to do it. Applying something you read to someones unique situation will always be helpful. But i understand what ur saying and agree.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 12:22 am 
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Yeah I have become guilty of dishing out non-tailored advice, I just want to help as many people as possible and there are usually the same problems most days.
Thinking about it, it would probably help more if I gave out great advice that was tailored rather than generic advice, that may not be relevant or the best.

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